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Old 08-17-2005, 03:22 PM
The_Curtain The_Curtain is offline
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Default Blind Defense - Strategy Question

I have been defending against last position blind stealing more recently and am wondering if calling or raising is really "blind defense".

When a TAG on the button raises first in I assume that he is stealing (as I often do) and wonder if I should worry about being dominated (KT, A9, etc.) in this situation. I see 3.5 to 1 odds (rake does have effect in these small pots which I will ignore for now) and that many hands become playable for those odds.

For example I am in the BB with 66 a TAG on the button opens, SB folds; raise or call in this situation?

For the 3.5 to 1 odds you get how much discount does the hand have for being out of position?

Finally, is it too tight weak to fit and fold on the flop? I find check-fold or check-raising is usually the way to play after calling the pre-flop raise since the TAG will always come out betting regarding of whether the flop helped him or not.

I know this post is somewhat generic, but how good does your hand have to be to reraise in the blinds versus just calling?

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Old 08-17-2005, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense - Strategy Question

I raise a lot if I'm playing and do a lot of leading after I raise. If I just call I almost always check and then either fold or raise.
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:38 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: Blind Defense - Strategy Question

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I raise a lot if I'm playing and do a lot of leading after I raise. If I just call I almost always check and then either fold or raise.

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This has pretty much become my approach as well.
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:41 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense - Strategy Question

If you reraise with your good hands (but not necessarily your great hands), then there's nothing wrong with playing fit or fold on the flop. You need to mix betting out and check-raising the hands you hit and occasionally you need to bet out on a bluff to keep your opponent honest or he'll be correct in just betting at you every single flop that you check.
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:45 PM
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So to sum up - as a general rule - if you re-raise pre-flop, then you should lead out the betting - if you call, then you would check-raise or check-fold - of course, with variations on your play as always.

Is that what I am reading?
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: Blind Defense - Strategy Question

Generally with what hands are you raising and what hands are you calling?
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:00 PM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: Blind Defense - Strategy Question

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So to sum up - as a general rule - if you re-raise pre-flop, then you should lead out the betting - if you call, then you would check-raise or check-fold - of course, with variations on your play as always.

Is that what I am reading?

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This describes my 3/6 auto-pilot blind defense pretty accurately (well, except maybe for the "variations on your play as always" part [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]).
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:04 PM
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So to sum up - as a general rule - if you re-raise pre-flop, then you should lead out the betting - if you call, then you would check-raise or check-fold - of course, with variations on your play as always.

Is that what I am reading?

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Sounds about right to me, with a c/r after 3-betting sometimes too.
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:18 PM
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So to sum up - as a general rule - if you re-raise pre-flop, then you should lead out the betting - if you call, then you would check-raise or check-fold - of course, with variations on your play as always.

Is that what I am reading?

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Sounds about right to me, with a c/r after 3-betting sometimes too.

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Are you saying that in a situation where you 3 bet out of the big blind pre-flop, you would check raise on the flop?

I would think that in most cases, if you 3 bet out of the BB and then check the flop, most people are going to be expecting a bet from you - so if you check and someone bets, I am thinking that you are probably up against a pretty strong hand.

The downside to this is that if it is checked around, you have no choice but to bet on the turn, and you will probably lose any and all action.

I'd say that's a pretty risky play.
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