AA oop, i'm scared

[technologic]

2/4 NL party 6-max

i have 563, villain has me covered.

dealt AA in sb, two limpers, i make it 16 to go, bb calls, villain calls in the CO.

flop A59 monotone spades. i bet 40, bb folds, villain makes it 140. move?

[Lucky]

Make it 24 PF. Either fold or reraise all-in on flop all in. If he's not a nit, i'm probably all in here. He'll show you slick with Ks, 55 or 99 often enough. If you raise more PF, you raise the possibility of the aforementioned hands and lower poss of KsQs or 7s8s.

[DonButtons]

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Make it 24 PF. Either fold or reraise all-in on flop all in. If he's not a nit, i'm probably all in here. He'll show you slick with Ks, 55 or 99 often enough. If you raise more PF, you raise the possibility of the aforementioned hands and lower poss of KsQs or 7s8s.

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I agree with the 24 min preflop.

But a limper showing AK with the spade, lol!

Given the action, limping, Id say he has like 76s 78s etc, and flopped it.

[Maulik]

tech,

my standard bring-in is $16 w/o limpers. why no adjustment for limpers?

[Leptyne]

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tech,

my standard bring-in is $16 w/o limpers. why no adjustment for limpers?

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I normally use the Daliman formula which would be a raise of $28 to $32.

Daliman
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You're not raising enough with your premium hands, and giving too much odds to run you down.

Remember this as your raising formula preflop at all times, unless you are specifically trapping/milking, or are putting in more than 4)5 of your stack by rasising, whereby you may as well push, unless you specifically want action;

3xBB + 2x limpers or raisers total=proper raise size.

Therefore, on your fateful KK hand, 3xBB =60 + 5 limpers for 20 equaling 100 total, so 100x2= 200

200+60=260 proper raise size

If A2 wants to call 240 more, god bless 'em.

But also, once that flop hits, NOW your pot sized bet with two limpers is all in. Much tougher call with a gutshot and one overcard only, but I 've seen way worse.

This is also a quick and dirty way to get approximately pot sized raises preflop, always confusing for me before.
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[Maulik]

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Make it 24 PF. Either fold or reraise all-in on flop all in. If he's not a nit, i'm probably all in here. He'll show you slick with Ks, 55 or 99 often enough. If you raise more PF, you raise the possibility of the aforementioned hands and lower poss of KsQs or 7s8s.

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I agree with the 24 min preflop.

But a limper showing AK with the spade, lol!

Given the action, limping, Id say he has like 76s 78s etc, and flopped it.

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buttons,

do you call the flop raise or muck?

[DonButtons]

Maulik,

call > muck

[cardsharkk04]

Given the spades, I like the reraise all in on the flop.

[Atropos]

I dont know, in these situations i often call his raise, check to him on the turn and try to make a godly read. Raising all-in doesnt accomplish too much here imo. You fold out most of the bad hands, against set you can probably get the money in on the turn too, and flushdraw does not have odds anyway.

[aggie]

Reraise more preflop. A read on the villian would certainly help postflop.

With no read, call and see what he does on the turn. If he pot commits you than you can probably give up your hand. A set is not that likely because he'd probably raise 99pf (so that leaves only 55)....If he checks behind on a blank value bet the river (provided it's a blank). If the turn is a spade you might want to seriously consider leading out and trying to take the pot away from a possible small flush.