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Old 12-08-2005, 12:25 PM
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Default KK - Trapping or being a donk?

$2/$4 - 10 person Table. Hero just sits down 4 hands ago, not much of an image.

Hero Stack - $400
Villain's stack - $500

Hero has KK and limps in. Button raises $20 against 4 limpers. Hero calls $20 and everyone else folds.

~$50 pot. Flop 8, 5, 2 rainbow.

Hero checks, Villain PSB of $50. Hero pushes all in and Villain calls with AA.

I was hoping that Villain was trying to steal the pot pre flop, then show strength with a missed flop or have TT-QQs or AKs. I was obviously wrong.

Question on the flop (lets ignore not re-raising pre flop):
1.) Do I lead the betting with a PSB and fold to a re-raise?
2.) If I reraise his PSB to $150 and he comes over the top putting me all in do I fold my KKs to a 3.5:1 ?
3.) Is this play profitable long term?

I don't like just calling the flop, because I have no idea where I'm at when the turn comes and am in the same situation. That's why (right or wrong) I went all in on the flop.

ps - Can someone send me the instruction link to input HHs into the converter? I checked the FAQ and a quick search, but couldn't find the instructions. Thanks
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Old 12-08-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: KK - Trapping or being a donk?

I don't like too slowplay OOP, but alright...

1.) Do I lead the betting with a PSB and fold to a re-raise?

No. You have not shown any strength at all and even if he raises you on the flop, you may very well have him beat.

2.) If I reraise his PSB to $150 and he comes over the top putting me all in do I fold my KKs to a 3.5:1 ?

Again, I can see him doing this with hands that you beat, such as QQ. Plus, as you say, you are getting very good odds.

3.) Is this play profitable long term?

Probably, but there are most likely more profitable ways of playing this.


ps - Can someone send me the instruction link to input HHs into the converter? I checked the FAQ and a quick search, but couldn't find the instructions.

Converter.
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Old 12-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: KK - Trapping or being a donk?

Don't give results.

Especially since you're an unknown, I think pretty much everything worse than your hand goes out, except for the occational QQ, KK.

Way too many things have to go right for this play to work. First... you got real lucky that nobody called in between you and the raiser. You were giving them juicy odds to hit a hand against you, especially since you were still willing to push your stack in. Second, PFR can't have you beat. Third, even when they fold, PFR still has to call you with QQ, JJ, TT or worse.

If you're gonna limp this hand, you've got to limp re-raise it.

If he has AA, you go broke anyway.
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Old 12-08-2005, 02:09 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: KK - Trapping or being a donk?

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Can someone send me the instruction link to input HHs into the converter? I checked the FAQ and a quick search, but couldn't find the instructions.

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Step 1: Open hand history
Step 2: Move your mouse near the top of the hand history.
Step 3: Depress mouse button.
Step 4: Drag mouse to bottom of hand history.
Note: The text should be "hi-lighted".
Step 5: Press "Ctrl-C" on your keyboard.
Step 6: Open hand converter
Step 7: Click on the white box underneath "input"
Step 8: Press "Ctrl-V" on your keyboard.
Step 9: Fill out the rest of fields as necessary
Step 10: Learn how to use a computer.

Have a nice day.
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Old 12-08-2005, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: KK - Trapping or being a donk?

Step 10: Learn how to use a computer.

It says "This is not a recognized hand history format."

Since most of the links are dead on the coverter (ie supported sites), its hard to get any info.

Step 11: Learn to read a question correctly.
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Old 12-08-2005, 02:35 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: KK - Trapping or being a donk?

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It says "This is not a recognized hand history format."

[/ QUOTE ]
Where does it say that in your question?
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: KK - Trapping or being a donk?

I lead with KK UtG. Just becuase if I play slow I wanna be SURE my hand is good.

w/o reads u get stacked here almost everytime since u are quasi slowplaying w/o the best hand.

Also if low cards come on the flop a villian with QQ/JJ could think u hit a set here. If you raise out you probably get more money from lower pp/AQ or whatever.

if u limp raise and someone 3bets u can be pretty sure its AA.

The books seem to often afvocate limp raising, but it seems that most people have read those books and know u have AA/KK.

The pros pull squeeze plays (and pay attention to eachother enough to know a squeeze is possible) that their hands are better disguised.

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