KJs in MP, flop nut flush draw

gvibes · #1 02-10-2005, 01:04 PM

I've been playing mostly SNG's lately, but I'm off to Vegas soon, where I'll likely be playing a lot of low limit, so I'm trying to work on my limit game.

In the following hand, I'm pretty sure I misplayed at least two streets. Table was relatively tight (~40% seeing flops). Also, guess what MP3 turns over.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (8.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

River: (11.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 19.25 BB

davelin · #2 02-10-2005, 01:07 PM

I wouldn't cap the river. Everything else looks good to me.

Edit - Ah yes, just bet out the river next time.

jaxUp · #3 02-10-2005, 01:11 PM

I really like the flop c/r, trapping the field, given your position to the pf raiser. Turn is fine. On the river I might just bet out here. I don't want MP3 to get scared of the flush draw and let it check through. Calling the 3-bet might be a better option than capping HU.

Nick Royale · #4 02-10-2005, 01:13 PM

PF: I would raise here, but I don't mind limping.

Flop: Perfect!

Turn: Nice.

River: I'll probably just bet out on this river, hoping MP3 will raise and trap MP2. Given the way you played I like your cap.

If you lost it must have been to slowplayed TT's or quads, no?

Nick Royale · #5 02-10-2005, 01:16 PM

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I wouldn't cap the river.

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What do you put MP3 on?

gvibes · #6 02-10-2005, 01:27 PM

My thoughts, looking back:
pre-flop - I should probably raise this

flop - given that I didn't raise pre-flop, but the guy behind me did raise pre-flop, the flop check-raise is a no-brainer, and works to perfection

turn - I thought of betting out, but on further reflection, why would I bet out? I have no fold equity three-way, and even if both call, I don't think I quite have the pot-equity to bet it out. So, I think check/call is right there.

river - I like the idea of betting out in the hopes of trapping MP2 for another bet. If MP3 raises, do I 3-bet, or go for an overcall?

On to cap or not - I can't really put MP3 on any hand that beats me that wouldn't come alive preflop or on the flop. Definitely no AA. 22 and 1010 are possibilities, but I would expect to hear from sets on the flop with a flush draw out there. 210 wouldn't play against a raise. So that leaves A2. On the other hand, what sort of hand 3-bets the river after a turn check/caller comes alive when a flush draw hits? A lower flush? QTh, maybe?

Results in white below: 
I just bought poker tracker, but I'm not used to paying much attention to the numbers on MP3. After the hand, I realized that MP3 was super-passive. As such, the cap was clearly incorrect. I was still shocked by what he turned over.
Hero has Jh Kh (flush, ace high).
MP3 has Ad Ac (full house, aces full of twos).
Outcome: MP3 wins 19.25 BB.

davelin · #7 02-10-2005, 01:28 PM

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I wouldn't cap the river.

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What do you put MP3 on?

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Hard to say, could be a flush or a boat.

Nick Royale · #8 02-10-2005, 01:37 PM

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Hard to say, could be a flush or a boat.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking to. Slowplayed TT's or 2's is the only reasonable thing that beats hero here. There are only 4 combinations of those so a cap can't be to bad IMO.

davelin · #9 02-10-2005, 01:45 PM

True there are more ways to make a flush than a boat here. But is the non-nut flush 3-betting here? Maybe, depends on reads but it makes it a closer decision between whether he has a boat or flush. That's why the bet out is better, potentially traps the other player and you can go for the overall on the raise.

gvibes · #10 02-10-2005, 02:03 PM

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That's why the bet out is better, potentially traps the other player and you can go for the overall on the raise.

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I like this line a lot - bet out, and then go for the overcall.