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GuyOnTilt · #11 12-07-2005, 08:20 PM

Hey Chris,

I know I'm definitely not folding, but I'd have to do the math to know whether calling or capping is better. Assumptions on how other players react to your call and to your cap and how often you're bet into on the turn if you 4bet? My gut is capping's probably better.

GoT

private joker · #12 12-07-2005, 08:20 PM

I think the important thing in this hand is it's harder for Chris to represent a T because the jerk in EP revealed his hand. If he'd kept his mouth shut, I think Chris bets the turn hoping to take it down there.

Chris Daddy Cool · #13 12-07-2005, 08:33 PM

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just did the math. With 4 outs and assuming that you will indeed get a free river, this is play is EV neutral.

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why do you assume i only have 4 outs?

CardSharpCook · #14 12-07-2005, 08:33 PM

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just did the math. With 4 outs and assuming that you will indeed get a free river, this is play is EV neutral. In this case you actually have 5 outs, so it is a little better. I am amazed, however, that two players folded after betting and raising. Who lays down on the flop in live play?

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That's assuming you get to see the river with your flop cap right? (i.e. no more than the 4 small bets go in)

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Yeah, and that's an iffy proposition. I fold this. But as it worked out, it does actually work.

jason_t · #15 12-07-2005, 08:34 PM

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just did the math. With 4 outs and assuming that you will indeed get a free river, this is play is EV neutral. In this case you actually have 5 outs, so it is a little better. I am amazed, however, that two players folded after betting and raising. Who lays down on the flop in live play?

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He has a backdoor spade draw, a gutshot and an overcard to the top card on the board.

CardSharpCook · #16 12-07-2005, 08:37 PM

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just did the math. With 4 outs and assuming that you will indeed get a free river, this is play is EV neutral.

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why do you assume i only have 4 outs?

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Why do you assume that you have 4 outs?

Chris Daddy Cool · #17 12-07-2005, 08:38 PM

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just did the math. With 4 outs and assuming that you will indeed get a free river, this is play is EV neutral.

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why do you assume i only have 4 outs?

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Why do you assume that you have 4 outs?

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because i can count?

Brom · #18 12-07-2005, 08:48 PM

What if he has KQ? I'm not actually trying to be a nit or anything, but what was your read on him? What hand range did you give him?

Chris Daddy Cool · #19 12-07-2005, 08:51 PM

yes he could have KQ of course and that would not be good obviously.

but you're talking about one hand combination out of many.

Entity · #20 12-07-2005, 09:56 PM

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Hey Chris,

I know I'm definitely not folding, but I'd have to do the math to know whether calling or capping is better. Assumptions on how other players react to your call and to your cap and how often you're bet into on the turn if you 4bet? My gut is capping's probably better.

GoT

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I did a little rudimentary math when Chris mentioned the hand to me and assuming we don't have an all out nutty game, I think capping is a fair amount better here, given that we can't fold. Even in the event that we don't get a free card, freezing the action to limit it to one bet on the turn is fairly important given the current pot size and the liklihood that we're staying until the river.

Rob