I'm sorry but I just have to ask . . .

[SheridanCat]

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If you go to the odds calculator at Cardplayer.com you can put in five players (max) and if you put in your 33 against an AK, QQ, JTs and 67s, you would find that you are only 16% to win. It's worse if there is another pair out there (14%). The only time you are the favorite is when they all hold each other's cards - hey, it happens!


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The whole question revolves around you hitting your set. You are getting proper odds to call preflop. Once you make your set on the flop, you are a favorite to win the hand against this lineup you just specified. If the flop comes monotone and makes the suited hand a flush, then you're a dog. Otherwise you're a favorite to take down a giant pot.

Regards,

T

[Buz]

There's no question that this is a call if you can see the flop cheap. This question is, "Is it a good bet if you know it will cost you four bets to see the flop?"

[James282]

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There's no question that this is a call if you can see the flop cheap. This question is, "Is it a good bet if you know it will cost you four bets to see the flop?"

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"The answer is, 'Yes.'"
-James

[Buz]

I find it interesting that so many posters side with calling when, according to Miller and Sklansky's SSHE, pocket pairs smaller than TT should be folded to a raise and a re-raise. Check the Starting Hand Guidelines for Loose Games.

[ohnonotthat]

I was in for one bet before the chip heaving contest started.

If it were 4 bets to me cold it would be a questionable call even if I knew 7 others would be coming along for the ride.

This is my first post here, so take what i say with a grain of salt.

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If you go to the odds calculator at Cardplayer.com you can put in five players (max) and if you put in your 33 against an AK, QQ, JTs and 67s, you would find that you are only 16% to win. It's worse if there is another pair out there (14%). The only time you are the favorite is when they all hold each other's cards - hey, it happens!


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By the numbers you are giving you justified a call. You are getting at the bare minimum 8-1 odds to play this hand. Even 14% is ~7-1 odds, so you are loosing money by not calling here.

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I think there are other hands that can give you a much better expected value. Of course, many poker players are action junkies and find a lot of value in the thrill of trying to buck the odds and win a big pot. These, obviously, are the players you want at your table.

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I think you are worrying to much about if you are "ahead" of other players, from the numbers you mentioned here, you are getting the pot odds.

[Victor]

this is a bad first post.

first posts consist of either 1)bad beats or 2) party is rigged.

your post has too much analysis. please start a new account and conform to forum guidelines.

[Subfallen]

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this is a bad first post.

first posts consist of either 1)bad beats or 2) party is rigged.

your post has too much analysis. please start a new account and conform to forum guidelines.

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Mine was (2). [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[ThaHero]

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this is a bad first post.

first posts consist of either 1)bad beats or 2) party is rigged.

your post has too much analysis. please start a new account and conform to forum guidelines.

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You forgot #3. I've been crushing .5/.10, should I go pro???

[Greg J]

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... .5/.10 ...

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Now that structure will screw up your implied odds!