JJ, do we continue on the turn?

UTG is 35/0/ (1.1 postflop aggression)
SB is 38/7.8/ (0.5 postflop aggression)

Prima 1/2 6 max
Hero has J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bet, SB calls, UTG calls.

Turn 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG raises, Hero calls, SB calls.

River A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, SB folds.

I was getting something like 10:1 and wasn't closing the action. I didn't think SB would fold or raise so 11:1 is pretty safe estimate.

Does UTG have JT here often enough for our call here to be incorrect?

[toss]

You played it fine. Its true UTG will hold JT sometimes, but not enough to make calling -EV.

Call the turn, easy river fold.

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Call the turn, easy river fold.

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I know the river fold is easy.

The times he has JT we drawing to 3 outs for a draw, so in total 1.5 outs. (maybe less if SB has flush draw)

Best situation - 6 live outs. (Jh and Th make me puke)

Turn is difficult,
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[KDawgCometh]

I dunno. I think I may very well fold the turn. He is CRing into two people, one of them being the PFR. He's just not aggro enough for me to want to continue on this board

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Call the turn, easy river fold.

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I know the river fold is easy.

The times he has JT we drawing to 3 outs for a draw, so in total 1.5 outs. (maybe less if SB has flush draw)

Best situation - 6 live outs. (Jh and Th make me puke)

Turn is difficult,
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He certainly is not playing it like he's on a flush draw. Who knows what SB is doing in the hand. Certainly we'll hit a T and split the pot sometimes and other times we'll hit a J and lose to a T. However JT is just one of many hands he'd have here. I think we can call but it's close- we really don't know what cards we want to see, however I think there are enough good cards given the size of the pot that we can make this call, especially considering we can easily fold any river other than a T or J.

[imported_leader]

nh

After looking over it, I really think that this call was slightly too loose on the turn. I have little implied odds.

@delta K, I don't put UTG on FD, I put SB on FD as a possible holding.

@ Kdawg, the reads are over about 100 hands, maybe not conclusive. But 0 raises over 100 hands is very very passive.

Looking at it, we really need a bigger pot for this call to be correct. After looking over this hand again I really like folding.

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[jba]

True -

easy turn call. while JT is possible there are TONS of 2-pr/set hands in his range that justify calling for our outs. I don't think SB has a FD 50% of the time so I think it is safe to count 4-5 outs here, 11-1 easy call. I'm really not worried at all about us not closing the action. If SB was going to speak up I think he would have done it by now.

@jba, will we call the river when the board pairs? If so, don't we only have 3 outs for two pairs that we counterfeit but it commits us to another bb on the river?

I wasn't worried about us not closing the action, but I just wondered if there was enough value in calling.

We have reverse implied odds of calling when we hit our out and it isn't good, so does this bust up a lot of our outs?

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