33 party - oesd on flop

[CarlSpackler]

How did I play this? I thought about checkraising allin on the turn, but since the villain's bet was so small, I decided to just calling was the better play. The villain is pretty fishy - plays too many hands and routinely underbets the pot.

Table Table 68932 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: HERO (745)
Seat 2: BOBBYphx (680)
Seat 3: kcroyals (665)
Seat 4: abergator (1420)
Seat 5: ljBeill (935)
Seat 7: calvinson (1270)
Seat 9: wildZer0 (755)
Seat 10: TennesseJed3 (1530)
HERO posts small blind (15)
BOBBYphx posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
kcroyals folds.
abergator folds.
ljBeill folds.
calvinson calls (30)
wildZer0 folds.
TennesseJed3 folds.
HERO calls (15)
BOBBYphx checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
HERO bets (60)
BOBBYphx folds.
calvinson raises (120) to 120
HERO calls (60)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
HERO checks.
calvinson bets (55)
HERO calls (55)
** Dealing River ** : [ 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
HERO checks.
calvinson bets (50)
HERO folds.

[jeffraider]

Pretty easy fold preflop. I normally just check-call small bets on these flops otherwise I give it up.

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Pretty easy fold preflop. I normally just check-call small bets on these flops otherwise I give it up.

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[bennies]

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Pretty easy fold preflop. I normally just check-call small bets on these flops otherwise I give it up.

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dam, forum is stingy tonight..

I also complete preflop. If I'm feeling unlucky I'll play the rest of the hand like you. However, with your read, a 3-bet on the flop is probably the best move.

i'm not a fan of betting oop with just a gutshot.
calling a minraise and then checking the turn looks incredibly fishy.
i'd be putting you all-in on any blank on the river.

you also have to think about pot control. i assume this is an attempt to steal a small pot, but hands like this often spiral out of control. check/call flop allows you to see your draw alot cheaper, and if you miss, you have an easy fold

[Hornacek]

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i'm not a fan of betting oop with just a gutshot.
calling a minraise and then checking the turn looks incredibly fishy.
i'd be putting you all-in on any blank on the river.

you also have to think about pot control. i assume this is an attempt to steal a small pot, but hands like this often spiral out of control. check/call flop allows you to see your draw alot cheaper, and if you miss, you have an easy fold

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how is this a gut shot?

[microbet]

I would usually check the flop too, but I think everything you did was fine. I would also complete preflop.

[mosdef]

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I would usually check the flop too, but I think everything you did was fine. I would also complete preflop.

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I don't follow this at all. It seems like a waste of 15 chips. Why are we so keen on playing T9o out of position against 2 opponents, with the further posibility of having to fold without seeing a flop if BB raises. I am just not interested in this situation. Are you saying that you think the implied odds when you flop a monster are so huge relative the 15 chips that you call?

This just seems to go against my personal (possibly suboptimal, I admit) early stage mindset. I want to play ONLY hands where I have a good chance of getting paid off big. I don't see you getting enough flops here that put you in a position to extract lots of value from other hands. Most flops will not help you at all, and many that do help will leave you fighting tooth and nail and taking on risk just to pick up the pot. I want a good chance at getting the other guys' stacks in exchange for early tournament risk.

[microbet]

I don't think folding is terrible or anything.

Implied odds are the main reason for completing.

There are lots of ways to win besides stacking people when you get your straight, but that tips the scales here for me vs. a hand like T5o. T9 also has a reasonable chance of winning a small pot with top or second pair.

I wouldn't be surprised if a really good player could make a profit completing preflop with any two. However, In this spot, I only complete with something reasonably coordinated.

[mosdef]

Thanks for the reply.

I am going to continue folding this kind of thing. I don't see myself making money from it. I'd love to have a better player explain to me how to make money with such a weak hand in this spot, but until then it's a fold for me.