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Old 11-09-2005, 10:42 AM
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Default QQ in Big Blind

Blinds 75-150. 4 full tables left.
You have QQ in the BB.
Early position player limps in.
The CO (who is a tight solid player) makes it 650.
Your stack is 5200, the CO just covers you.
Button and SB fold.
What do you do ?
(the limper was a weak player who had limped a lot but always folded to a raise, so you're not worried about him; the CO would be aware of this also).


PS - starting chips was 6000.
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:47 AM
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Average stack? Pay-out structure?

(just buying some time before I shove 'em to the middle)
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:49 AM
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Push. Especially since you know the CO is aware of EP's looseness and he could be trying to isolate with a wide range of hands which your QQ dominates.
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:50 AM
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It's just about 1 hour into the tournie.
Only 5 places get paid.
Average stack is about 6400.
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:51 AM
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What's the tournament structure and payout? It helps to know this info before deciding what heros next move should be.

I think my default play here is to push. I'm not looking to get PC'd with my QQ preflop only to get scared off if an overcard falls, which is what a reraise essentially does. With your read on the limper and the CO's healthy stack size I think you'll take this down uncontested in most cases and if you get a caller that wants to race you're probably going in as a 3:2 to 4:1 favorite.
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:52 AM
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QQ is only dominated by KK and AA. You're favorite over AK and worse hands. The raise looks too big for me to be AA or KK and more a hand like AJ-AK, AJs+, KQs+ and medium pairs up to JJ.

Since the EP limper folds most of the time to raises he could also be raising any 2 just to pick up an easy pot since only 3 ppl are left to act behind him + EP.

I think you're WA here and should be pushing, EP is most likely going to fold and I think you're ahead of CO's range here.
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:55 AM
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It's just about 1 hour into the tournie.
Only 5 places get paid.
Average stack is about 6400.

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Ok, so this is a live tourney and not that many people out yet. Well it doesn't matter much. Shove 'em I say. It wouldn't be the first (or last) time I lose to kings or aces.

At least since this is live, I can go to the bar.....
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:57 AM
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.....The raise looks too big for me to be AA or KK.....

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4,33 BB with one limper is too big a raise? Please elaborate
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Old 11-09-2005, 11:02 AM
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Default Re: QQ in Big Blind

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.....The raise looks too big for me to be AA or KK.....

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4,33 BB with one limper is too big a raise? Please elaborate

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Its only too big if CO is a donkey that likes to minraise or raise really small amounts with monsters.
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Old 11-09-2005, 11:06 AM
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The raise looks too big for me to be AA or KK

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The raise is a perfectly standard pot-sized raise. And it reveals absolutely nothing about this player's holding. He has something as he doesn't steal with trash hands.

People seem to be advocating a push !
Why would you overbet the pot and push in 5200 to win 1000 ?
This hand was discussed at length later, and the only options considered were to either call or raise a pot-sized amount.
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