REALLY struggling this month, please look at 6 hands

1C5 · #1 10-30-2005, 07:56 PM

Party $22.

Different situations. Anything you do differently than me?

1. What kind of bet do you make on this river?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t60)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t985)
CO (t845)
Button (t1220)
Hero (t640)
BB (t965)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t45) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t45) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t15, Hero raises to t45, BB folds, MP1 raises to t75, Hero calls t30.

River: (t195) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP1 calls t100.

Final Pot: t395

2. What do you bet here?

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SB (t1110)
BB (t3910)
Hero (t2010)
Button (t970)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t700, 3 folds.

Final Pot: t1150

3. JJ level 2. Call here with many to act behind you or raise and if so, how much?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t615)
MP1 (t1675)
Hero (t715)
MP3 (t1465)
CO (t365)
Button (t610)
SB (t985)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 5 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t255

4. QQ hand. Thoughts on my play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP3 (t785)
CO (t775)
Button (t1015)
SB (t755)
BB (t800)
UTG (t755)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t715)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, SB calls t65, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t375) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t50, Hero raises to t375, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t375, UTG+1 calls t325.

Turn: (t1500) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t350 (All-In), Hero calls t350 (All-In), UTG folds.

River: (t2200) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2200

5. Do you call this?

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Button (t2473)
SB (t967)
Hero (t590)
UTG (t255)
MP (t1525)
CO (t2190)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls t50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t450, SB folds, Hero raises to t540 (All-In), Button calls t90.

Turn: (t1230) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1230) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1230

6. All streets was kind of lost here including the river.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t1733)
MP3 (t1110)
CO (t807)
Button (t725)
SB (t920)
Hero (t750)
UTG (t240)
UTG+1 (t665)
MP1 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t45, MP2 calls t45, SB calls t45.

Turn: (t225) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, MP2 folds, SB calls t75.

River: (t375) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t375

Thanks!

gumpzilla · #2 10-30-2005, 08:11 PM

1. After the turn three-bet from my opponent I'm probably just going to stick it all in right there. No need to horse around against pairs and gutshot draws, and two pair hands (which I think are the most likely holding) will almost certainly call you. I think people are going to three-bet and fold pretty rarely in that spot. I'd probably make a bigger raise on this street (but not by much), and I think I'd bet more like 150-200 on the river, particularly if the pot had been pumped a little more on the turn.

2. I'm not wild about your plan (presumably) of betting 700 and then folding if the BB decides to push. Unless you normally do this kind of thing when you have 7 BBs, it seems like an enticement for BB to come at you and then you've made your life annoying. I think you can push, or you can limp and see if that draws SB to push over you, when you happily call. Maybe button will go nuts too. 88 seems too good to fold to me here.

3. Either way is fine, I think this is heavily dependent on how you like to handle things postflop.

4. Make a smaller flop raise, to 275 or so. It's pretty hard to fold on the turn, but I'm expecting to be shown JT or T9 more often than not given this action, AJ and 88 being the next most likely hands.

5. Sure, I think it's a pretty good call. You probably have 12 or 15 outs, you're getting a decent price to draw to 15, and you need to do some catching up. The closer you are to BB going to 100, the better this is.

6. I'm not sure I'd bet the turn there, but if I were going to bet it I'd probably push a little harder and bet more like 150 or so. I think checking down and calling small bets is the way to go here, as I think this is a WAWB situation more often than not (I'm not too concerned about the straight and backdoor flush draws in this instance.)

splashpot · #3 10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1. Maybe raise more on the turn. Otherwise fine. On the river, just bet whatever amount you think he'll call. It's difficult to tell sometimes.
2. All in.
3. I'd limp. But raiseing isn't terrible. Just make sure you raise a sizable amount when you do. 150 seems about right.
4. Fine
5. I don't know. His bet of three times the pot is really weird. You might have the odds to go in with this and the fact that you're starting to get desperate has me leaning towards push.
6. Pot the flop. Bet at least 1/2-3/4 the pot on the turn. Take the free showdown.

Afterh0urs · #4 10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1. I'm not getting away from this in the $22s, meaning, I'm pushing the turn once I'm reraised.

2. Push preflop.

3. Jacks are tricky. I usually just limp with them in the early levels and try to hit my set and win a massive pot. I just dont think the risk reward ratio is in your favor for making a big raise preflop. What happens when an overcard flops? You'll have to bet out for a substantial part of the pot, which will end up being expensive when you find out your opponent hit that overcard.

4. I think you played it fine. Bad turn card for you.

5. I never call here in this situation. If you call, you're most likely a coin flip at best, and I want to be the one initiating my coinflip encounters, not calling my stack off to enter them.

6. Bet the river.

Freudian · #5 10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1) I would reraise again, probably to 200-250. Because by calling you have to lead out with such a small bet on the river that you don't get paid off even close to well enough.

He seems to like his hand enough for me to think he will call a re-reraise.

2) FPS. Just push.

3) I limp behind.

4) You played this well.

5) Depending on read, I'm fine with folding or calling. Probably fold though. Don't like calling all-ins with a draw.

6) I'd probably check the turn but your line worked out ok.

runner4life7 · #6 10-30-2005, 08:16 PM

1. I like the river bet but I think I'd reraise again his turn bet. His reraise shows he at least has something he likes.

2. I think I just push, but I am ok with 700 but then do you call even the big stacks re raise?

3. fine with the JJ

4. I think I call as well

5. I toss this sooo fast, but I could be wrong

6. I play this pretty much the same

pooh74 · #7 10-30-2005, 08:18 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Party $22.

Different situations. Anything you do differently than me?

1. What kind of bet do you make on this river?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t60)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t985)
CO (t845)
Button (t1220)
Hero (t640)
BB (t965)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls t15, 4 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t45) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: (t45) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t15, Hero raises to t45, BB folds, MP1 raises to t75, Hero calls t30.

River: (t195) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t100, MP1 calls t100.

Final Pot: t395

2. What do you bet here?

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SB (t1110)
BB (t3910)
Hero (t2010)
Button (t970)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t700, 3 folds.

Final Pot: t1150

3. JJ level 2. Call here with many to act behind you or raise and if so, how much?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t615)
MP1 (t1675)
Hero (t715)
MP3 (t1465)
CO (t365)
Button (t610)
SB (t985)
BB (t875)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 5 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: t255

4. QQ hand. Thoughts on my play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 (t800)
Hero (t800)
MP3 (t785)
CO (t775)
Button (t1015)
SB (t755)
BB (t800)
UTG (t755)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t715)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, SB calls t65, BB calls t60, UTG calls t60, UTG+1 calls t60.

Flop: (t375) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t50, Hero raises to t375, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t375, UTG+1 calls t325.

Turn: (t1500) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t350 (All-In), Hero calls t350 (All-In), UTG folds.

River: (t2200) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2200

5. Do you call this?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button (t2473)
SB (t967)
Hero (t590)
UTG (t255)
MP (t1525)
CO (t2190)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Button calls t50, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t150) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t450, SB folds, Hero raises to t540 (All-In), Button calls t90.

Turn: (t1230) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1230) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1230

6. All streets was kind of lost here including the river.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t1733)
MP3 (t1110)
CO (t807)
Button (t725)
SB (t920)
Hero (t750)
UTG (t240)
UTG+1 (t665)
MP1 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t90) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t45, MP2 calls t45, SB calls t45.

Turn: (t225) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t75, MP2 folds, SB calls t75.

River: (t375) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t375

Thanks!

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Hand 1:
looks fine, I'd pot the river. I feel like I am missing something on this hand, what do you feel is wrong with the way you played it?

Hand2:
hmmm, hate this situation and I was talking to someone about this recently...Lately Ive been limping and calling raises from the shorties if they push and Ill fold to BB's push perhaps if its folded to him and he pushes. Limping here really achieves the same as what you did.

Hand 3:

This hand is really best left to party experts bc i feel it has so much to do with starting chips. sorry

hand 4:

beh...I'd go broke there too but raise more PF with 2 limpers though!!

Hand 5: seems pretty EV neutral, you're a slight fave if he only has top pair...but you have no FE and 1-1 on money...I'd fold with blinds still at 50.

Hand 6:

I'd probably check behind too, your turn bet is really weak...no need for YOU to block...he seems like he is just calling down with mid pair or something...

microbet · #8 10-30-2005, 08:23 PM

1. river: more like 200
2. push
3. I think that was fine. I might raise a little less.
4. Obviously this hand didn't go well, but I don't see anything wrong with your play.
5. I don't think so. If you were going to call, you certainly should have made the bet in the first place.
6. In the $22s I think this is fine, you will very likely be facing a lower pair. I prefer 100 on the turn.

tigerite · #9 10-30-2005, 08:41 PM

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1. river: more like 200
2. push
3. I think that was fine. I might raise a little less.
4. Obviously this hand didn't go well, but I don't see anything wrong with your play.
5. I don't think so. If you were going to call, you certainly should have made the bet in the first place.
6. In the $22s I think this is fine, you will very likely be facing a lower pair. I prefer 100 on the turn.

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Yeah I agree with all that, on 1 if you think he's really aggressive you can check the river, in the hope he bets then you can push, but it's fancy and not guaranteed to work. He'll definitely call more than 100. Somewhere around 200 seems about right.

applejuicekid · #10 10-30-2005, 11:13 PM

1. I really dislike the small turn raise. By betting more here you can make a bigger bet on the river. As it is I think 200 would be a good river bet.

2. I play this exactly the same way and think it is much better than a push. I am suprised other posters said push. This raise will probably steal the blinds a significant amount of times and against the shorter stacks it puts them all in. If things do get crazy you can dump it and still have a lot of chips left.

3. My default play is to just call here, but I don't hate it.

4. I would raise more preflop, something like 100. I like the rest of your play. However, why not push the flop instead of betting half your stack?

5. Yes. I play it the same way. My plan would be to check raise the flop.

6. I think you played it fine. I would make a slightly bigger bet on the turn and value bet the river.