Beating loose players

I came here via the advice I received from Greg Raymer. I sent an e-mail to his site and received a reply that stated this was a good place for " advice".
You have done nothing but critize my play. I have had some great replies, none coming from you.
You are adding nothing to this forum other than insults and demeaning attitude. Just please don't reply anymore, I am looking for real advice from real players. Not someone looking to cheap shot others.
Thank you.

[waffle]

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what was he doing in the hand to begin with?

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He was giving you money. You're an excellent player but you don't even know where your edge comes from? And you demand only big names reply to you? Well, WTF are you? Get a grip with reality.

As the answer to your original question: The loose players may be hard to read given only their preflop action, but they are usually pretty transparent post-flop. Study their post-flop tendencies, put them on a range of hands given their post-flop actions, and play poker.

Not " big names " waffle. Real players, people who have taken more time with the game other than just watching on the TV. I enjoyed reading your comment. Thank for your good advice. I didn't come to the sight for insults, just good sound advice. I really do appreciate yours Waffle.
Thanks.

[EStreet20]

Someone please find in my original reply where I berate this player. I gave him the same advice many 2+2ers give and recieve. Get a clue and get over yourself. And btw, I've done a little more with poker than just watch on TV, as you said before.

[billymonk]

The damn Fish!!!!! Loose games RANT!

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I came here via the advice I received from Greg Raymer. I sent an e-mail to his site and received a reply that stated this was a good place for " advice".
You have done nothing but critize my play. I have had some great replies, none coming from you.
You are adding nothing to this forum other than insults and demeaning attitude. Just please don't reply anymore, I am looking for real advice from real players. Not someone looking to cheap shot others.
Thank you.

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That is the sole reason these forums exist. People post their hands and receive feedback. Standard 2+2 responses are often blunt and sometimes outright rude. That's just how it is, get used to it.

If you don't get ripped apart, you aren't going to take anything to heart and change your game.

You were also the one to fire the first shot. The first two replies were good but you decided to insult them. Go somewhere else like the cardplayer forums if you aren't interested in rigorous debate of poker.

[ResidentParanoid]

1. Make a hand.
2. Keep betting.

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I have studied the game and have read the books.

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You have proved otherwise by asking this question.

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I have a great home game with players that have done the same and fair very well.

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Do not judge beating up on your two 18 year old buddies as beating the game.

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The problem is 80 to 90% of the people that show up have watched poker on TV and think they know how to play.

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Where did you say this took place? Sounds like a gimme.

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5 callers to the blind so I raise to 100 .

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Mistake.

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Flop is rainbow with 7, 9, 2 all different suits. I bet 100 , He calls.

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Mistake #2.

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Turn is an 8, still not matching any suits. I bet 200 , again he calls.

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Mistake #3.

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River is a J. I now have the straight, I check, he bets 100 I raise to 300 and he calls.

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Mistake #4.

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How do you beat this kind of play?

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You are this kind of play.

MDoranD

Dude, it sounds like you have just discovered the Skill Gap: where you come to realize that your poker skill is not as great as you thought it was.

But that's far from a slam - every single guy who now regularly posts at 2+2 has probably had that revelation, including Greg Raymer.

Yes, there's good advice and bad advice, but part of that is your fault: it looks like you didn't follow the first rule of internet forums, which is Lurk Before Posting. If you had, you would have quickly learned that there's a forum called Multi-table Tournaments where they focus their discussion on winning tournaments. A General forum will get you, well, general answers. Some of the best MTT forum posters may never see your question in General.

As for the "insults," welcome to the world of internet forums. People are harsh - often they don't even realize it. Your question ("how do I beat these bad players who call down with trash and suck out?") is probably the most-asked question at 2+2, which you also would likely have discovered by lurking. (The answer to your question, BTW, is to reread your poker library, and select specific hands/plays that concern you and post them to the appropriate forum for evaluation.)

Fossilman did not steer you wrong. You just have to learn to use this powerful resource properly.

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Example : blinds are at 10 - 20 and I am big blind. I have pocket 10's. 5 callers to the blind so I raise to 100. I get one caller. Flop is rainbow with 7, 9, 2 all different suits. I bet 100, He calls. Turn is an 8, still not matching any suits. I bet 200, again he calls. River is a J. I now have the straight, I check, he bets 100 I raise to 300 and he calls. We turn over the cards. I find out he has been calling the whole way with a 10-3 off. Split pot but what was he doing in the hand to begin with?

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I've read through these posts and want to tell you - first of all - that the first few responses to your OP were dead on. I've been where you were and thought the same things. You have to welcome that kind of play, not rip it. Yes, you'll take a beating here or there and wonder why, but more often than not, you'll take their money. This one hand isn't representative of your whole relationship with loose players - it's just one hand. If you're looking for information on how to play against loose players, that's one thing. If you're looking for info on how to play this hand, that's another. And, if that's the case, you need to be more thorough with your hand report. One big thing missing is where the player with 10-3 was? OTB, BB, SB, Cutoff, UTG? Where was this in the tourney? What were your stacks sizes? What was your previous read on this player? If you want help with this hand, help us help you.

Now, playing loose players is frustrating, but it's also very profitable. Just a few pieces of advice:

1) just b/c your starting hand was better doesn't mean they didn't hit the flop better than you
2) value bet, value bet, value bet
3) know how to get away from top pair or an overpair (I still struggle with this)
4) get reads on your opponent's post-flop play

Just a few things on top of what others have said. I understand how you feel about people criticizing your play and/or your post, but that's what people do here - some of them. You either get used to it and try to read through the BS to get the poker advice, or you go elsewhere.

I spend a lot of time at Poker Analysis and found the advice on here was 10x better, but you have to get through some jerks to see it, while PA had a ton of nice people, but only a few really gave good advice.

There's my 2 cents.