flop overbet

[fathertime]

25 NL
6 max

Villain MP2 (60); 70/30
Hero BB (42)

Villain limps; CO calls; I check in BB KdJc.

flop ksjs4s

I bet dollar; Villain raises to 10; CO folds

Villain, maniacal but with some sense to his madness, could have anything from a monster to a draw to a bluff.

I didn't think folding an option here--villain's range of hands is too broad. And so should I call and bet hard any non-spade turn. Or should I raise him all in on the flop?

[poboy]

Why isn't folding an option? This is a relatively small pot and you don't have a hand that is even close to the nuts. If he has what he's representing you are drawing to 6 outs. I guess it would come down to how often you think this is a bluff. JMO

[kurto]

I agree with poboy. I think you have a better chance of whopping him them on a monotone board of which, you have none of the suit.

"Villain, maniacal but with some sense to his madness," I find that contradictory! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Richie Rich]

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And so should I call and bet hard any non-spade turn. Or should I raise him all in on the flop?

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If "bet hard" is the equivalent of pushing all-in if a non-spade falls on the turn, then your first choice is by far the best move to make.

[fathertime]

Well, I think mainly that he is representing a draw--though there is the possibility that he has a monster. And he could also be bluffing. If he has the flush, I don't think he would have bet that much--though, again, it is a possibility.

The pot is about 25% of my stack and so it is a good one and one I'd like to win. If the overbet is to be read as a draw then I'm a nice favorite.

If you decide that a draw is the most likely hand he has on the flop, what do you do? Call or raise?

[fathertime]

He is one of those party players who is very aggressive but not a total buffoon. For all I know he may be a consistently winning player. He pushes hands to get folks to fold only their best hands. He forces folks to make mistakes. But at the same time he makes a lot of mistakes himself. I doubled through him when my two pair beat his tpbk. I can't remember if he left the table up or down. But I do remember admiring how he was able to push hands to get folks to do what he wanted. Hence the maniacal but with a sense to his madness.

[Leo Bello]

One better approach was not to bet 1 dollar yourself. U betted pot. Two options overbet as a blocking bet, or simply call.
It is a continuous approach. Your bet represents I don´t have the flush... and if he had a check would be something he wouldn´t like to see.

[fathertime]

I would bet a buck on the flop if I had a flush. I fast play most of my hands.

I'm not arguing against you, just trying to understand why you read my 1 flop bet as not representative of a flush.

I like the overbet suggestion--though it is not something that I do on the flop. I will, however, overbet the river enough to make it integral to my game.

If I did overbet--say 2 or 3--what would you read that as?

[fathertime]

I reraised villain all in. He had qs and some small offsuit card. Of course he hit a spade on the turn to bust me. But I got him back later.

Still unsure what the best play on the flop is--if I'm pretty certain that he is on a draw. I'm leaning toward a push on the flop only because if no spade hits on the turn I'm not sure whether I'd get any more out of him.

[TrailofTears]

If you are pretty sure he is on the draw, then a push is fine. You should be happy taking the pot right there and it will certainly give the villain poor odds.

-Trail