"drunken maniac" rules question

sorry if this is wrong thread...

and this doesn't really fit any of our poker book reading or anything.

but played with complete drunken maniac (claimed he was rich so more like crazy drunken guy who didn't care about the $$$ than a fish)...

but this guy for awhile (probably at least 40 hands) would post his raise before the cards were dealt. he said he was going to raise.

what are the rules on that?? can he do that???

the casino staff didn't come down on the guy, partly because they don't want trouble and partly because the guy was tipping heavily and i mean really heavily. tipping for a few hours when he'd lose a showdown (WOW!!!)

folding and betting completely out of turn...

can he do any of this??

fallsview in niagara falls if anyone is interested. the guy gave me his card so maybe i'll find out when he's down again... we played 7 hours. but he was only insanely crazy for the first 4 hours and i had cold cards and bad rivers/luck over that period. got hot later though, but he wasn't crazed anymore.

the crazed maniac though was hitting the cards for about 90 minutes of his craziness and won amazing amounts of money. the other 5 hours were brutal for him though.

any and all responses apprecatiated.

[Kaeser]

As far as I know you can only post a raise when you are under the gun (known as straddling the blinds).

As for the rest, folding and betting out of turn is bad, doesn't matter how rich you are.

p.s. this thread belongs in B&M cardrooms.

[TexArcher]

He can only bet in the dark if he's first to act.

If he's folding out of turn or declaring dark raises with people in front of him he should be told in no uncertain terms to knock it off or leave.

guys, thanks for the responses. i sort of thought the whole thing was wrong... although eventually i'd ask him if he was going to raise before i bet (thislater, when he wasn't raising every hand; and it was probably wrong too)

i apologize. i half-knew that it should have been in bricks and mortar (although rules/ethics would be better, doesn't exist though). but i thought i'd get a better response here.

[Kaeser]

Actually there's nothing wrong with asking your opponent if he's going to raise, just remember that he's not obligated to tell the truth.

As a side note it's usually good to become friends with these guys. If you buddy up to them you can get them to soft play you and they don't mind when it's you taking their money.

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Actually there's nothing wrong with asking your opponent if he's going to raise, just remember that he's not obligated to tell the truth.

As a side note it's usually good to become friends with these guys. If you buddy up to them you can get them to soft play you and they don't mind when it's you taking their money.

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oh gosh, i had a great time with this guy for the first 5.5 hours. eventually, he got totally out of control. didn't bother me personally, but i didn't want some major security incident around me, so i told him to cool it....

this guy was crazed, drunken and full of himself but he was true to his word if i asked him... he did say to whole table that he would raise 100's of hands and then didn't raise some, but if i asked him personally, he came thru 100% of time... pretty sad, but very cold cards and bad luck when this guy was just giving money away. but what can you do??

but bizarre, for at least 2 hours, he would try to pre-raise hands before the cards were dealt and from any position.

probably should have played him HU with Q5o because it turned out he didn't have K or A. but my bankroll is a little short for the level to start with, so i can't afford $40 pointless 50/50 losses. trying to figure out though if i walked away from the $9 blinds or if i just chose not to put up $3 (although i think he'd have raised, so i saved $9)

are these guys relatively common? or was this 4-5 standard deviations out? (willing to commit to raise before the cards are dealt).

[Kaeser]

It's quite common to find a guy like this playing live, especially on the weekends. That's one reason it's so important to play at a level that your comfortably bankrolled for. Live play at the lower limits lends itself heavily to large multi-way pots, and with a maniac like this your not getting a cheap flop. There's a lot of money to be had but if your not bank rolled for the swings then you'd do better to find a passive table where there's less profit but also less variance.

[bernie]

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If he's folding out of turn or declaring dark raises with people in front of him he should be told in no uncertain terms to knock it off or leave.

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If he's dark raising preflop he should be given a very comfortable seat. You don't want this player to leave. That would be about the dumbest move you could ask for.

Btw...This is allowed in many cardrooms preflop.

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[bernie]

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didn't bother me personally, but i didn't want some major security incident around me, so i told him to cool it....


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Never tell a maniac to cool it. You should be encouraging him if anything.

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didn't bother me personally, but i didn't want some major security incident around me, so i told him to cool it....


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but some other people at the table were trying to get security involved at that point so i was trying to save the guy.... and after 7 hours, he wasn't doing his crazed fishiness anymore. his obnoxious (fun though) to fish ratio had skyrocketed.

Never tell a maniac to cool it. You should be encouraging him if anything.

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