30/60 Q8o

Poldi · #1 12-10-2005, 10:40 AM

SB is TAG 25/19/1.6, looked pretty solid.
BB is 32/24/1.36, not very good.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12 BB

krishanleong · #2 12-10-2005, 10:51 AM

I think the flop call is too thin. I think the turn raise is good. I think I bet/fold the river. I think there are Ts that will call and perhaps 9s.

Krishan

Spicymoose · #3 12-10-2005, 11:19 AM

I think preflop is a bit thin with a loose BB (even if he is bad), and a SB who will 3-bet you with any decent hands. The flop call is a bit too loose also. You may be dominated, and you could end up losing a lot more money. The flush draw also hurts your equity. Turn looks fine, but I bet the river. Seems like you will get value from a bunch of hands.

wheelz · #4 12-10-2005, 11:49 AM

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I think the flop call is too thin. I think the turn raise is good. I think I bet/fold the river.

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cartman · #5 12-10-2005, 01:24 PM

I also fold the flop. The river looks like an easy value bet, but I'm sure you had a good reason to check. What was it?

Thanks,
Cartman

Fianchetto · #6 12-10-2005, 01:37 PM

You can fold the flop, no reason to continue there.

River, I think you may have a value bet.

Poldi · #7 12-10-2005, 03:00 PM

I agree the flop was too thin. I got 10:1 from the pot so I need a tiny bit more than 4 outs. I´d give myself 3 outs for my pairs. The Q sometimes will be dominated so I cant fully count it but a few times even my 8 will be good (hard to know though). I have a 2gap backdoor straight draw which adds 0,5 outs. So I have ~ 3.5 outs and am closing the action. The flush draw discounts my outs a bit too though as someone already mentioned.
If I can sometimes see the river for free it would be a good call. I´m not sure how often that happens (maybe 10% of the time).

On the turn I hit and thought I can easily fold to a reraise and will pay 2 to see a showdown anyways so I may as well raise now and charge the draws. It was a freeshowdown raise so I took it at the river. A 9 or T may call but thats about it, I think most of the time they try to improve on the river and fold if they dont. The T could have made a straight. When I see it now it was a pretty easy fold to a CR but I wanted to stick with my free showdown plan. A valuebet is thin but likely correct.

Subfallen · #8 12-10-2005, 03:11 PM

i don't really see how the river bet could be considered thin. SB has like AK/A9/JJ/TT/88/77 here and some of those will pay off some reasonable amount. BB has like some pair and will pay off some reasonable amount with that.

Poldi · #9 12-10-2005, 03:27 PM

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i don't really see how the river bet could be considered thin. SB has like AK/A9/JJ/TT/88/77 here and some of those will pay off some reasonable amount. BB has like some pair and will pay off some reasonable amount with that.

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I dont think AK 88 77 pay off. Players with these stats can fold these hands at this limit I think (3way that is).
TT beats me. A9 and JJ I agree on.