Limit Holdem: raising all ins & HU caps - very basic stuff

[MrJitney]

Ok, I've been playing live in AC for a while now, and I thought I understood all this stuff. But last weekend I saw a few things which lead me to question my grasp of some of the basics.

These questions apply to live casinos, specifically to the Taj Mahal and the Borgota (the nice thing about Party Poker is that all these details are taken care of).

So anyway, here's question number 1. When can you raise someone who's all in?

For example, assume a $3/$6 game, 4th street, 3 players. What if UTG opens all in for $1 and I'm next to act? What are my options? Can I only call or complete, or can I bring it up to $7?

What if he opens all in for $4 (more than 1/2 the bet). Now can I either call, complete, or raise to $10?

What if someone opens for $6 ahead of him, and he goes all in for $8? What can I do? What if he goes all in for $10?

Okay, second question. Capping. Both the Taj and Borgata have rules that say if it's heads up, there's no cap on the number of raises. Easy enough. There's supposedly an exception, however, that if there are three people in for 3-bets, then the usual cap applies (ie even if there are only two left, four bet max). Could someone explain this to me?

Also, I'm going out to Vegas in January. Are these rules pretty standard over there ?
Thanks,
Jit

[Macdaddy Warsaw]

Ok, on the all-ins, you can raise it $6 more as long as you didn't raise first. If you did, you can only raise $6 more if he went all-in for half the bet or more.

On caps, you only have no cap limit if there were only 2 players in the hand at the start of a street. Meaning if 3 players see the river, UTG bets, you raise, and button folds, there's a cap limit still and you can only have 4 bets on the street.

[Rudbaeck]

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On caps, you only have no cap limit if there were only 2 players in the hand at the start of a street. Meaning if 3 players see the river, UTG bets, you raise, and button folds, there's a cap limit still and you can only have 4 bets on the street.

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No, this is wrong, atleast in this case. If three players reach the river and A bets, B raise, C 3-bets, A calls, B 4-bets, C folds, then A only has the option of calling.

If three players reach the river A bets, B raises, C calls, A 3-bets, B 4-bets, C folds, then A can raise again.

[Rudbaeck]

4th street.
UTG bets $1 all in.
You can call, complete or raise $6.

4th street:
UTG bets $6
You call
Button raises $1 all-in.
Now you and button can only call the $1.

The all-in bet has to be atleast half a regular bet to re-open betting. In the first example betting was obviously already open as it had not been called/checked around.

[MrJitney]

Thanks for the reply. Just to be clear; $3/$6, 4th street, UTG is first to act and OPENS with $1 (all-in). I'm next. I can make it $7 to go?

This exact situation occurred a couple weeks ago at the Taj. I wanted to make it $7 (dealer initially agreed with me), but the "table expert" told me I couldn't. We argued for a minute, then called the floor. Floor said I had to call or complete to $6; I could only bring it to the next level if it was opened with at least half the big bet.

At the end of the day, it was only $1 (4 people in the pot though), but I really thought the floor was wrong. Maybe it's a house thing. I'm going to ask next time I'm there.

A tip for anyone who cares: there's no better way to give your hand away than to argue vehemently over a $1 raise.

[MrJitney]

I'm going to attempt to generalize this. Please tell me if this is correct.

If there are more than two players in when it is 3-bet, regardless of how many players call for 3 bets, the betting is capped at 4 bets.

[Rudbaeck]

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Thanks for the reply. Just to be clear; $3/$6, 4th street, UTG is first to act and OPENS with $1 (all-in). I'm next. I can make it $7 to go?

This exact situation occurred a couple weeks ago at the Taj. I wanted to make it $7 (dealer initially agreed with me), but the "table expert" told me I couldn't. We argued for a minute, then called the floor. Floor said I had to call or complete to $6; I could only bring it to the next level if it was opened with at least half the big bet.


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You can call $1, or complete the bet to $6, yes.

[MrJitney]

No $7? Sorry to be so thick.

Is it the same on 5th street?

[Rudbaeck]

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No $7? Sorry to be so thick.

Is it the same on 5th street?

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I'm not sure, seen it both ways, but I think only completing to $6 is more common than raising to $7.