I'm completely miffed at this call by another 2+2er

[stupidsucker]

I second guessed thinking, but then using the SNG-A(btw we need an offical nick for this)

Anyways the tool shows the call to be slightly negative if you put the Allin push range 22+, and any two broadway.

The tool doesnt take in consideration the stealing power and the extra strength gained from the big stack he will have going ITM.

Cant say for sure he really thought it all through, but at a quick glance this is a pot odds call good enough to risk it.

I get miffed all the time.. allllll the time. vent away sir.

[augie00]

I do not like this call.

I would probably call here with any paint, a hand like 89s or 9Ts, but not with a godawful hand like 73o. The reason being even if you make a hand with 73o a lot of the time it won't even be the best hand. Making a hand with paint or something like 89s is usually a lot stronger.

[psyduck]

Okay, seems like the majority (thus far) disagree with the call. Is it a marginal mistake, or is it horribly wrong?

FWIW, I KNEW that the other big stack was a 2+2er, so he would be pushing random junk frequently. This brings up the question of what to do when you know that another opponent is playing like this: do you pick a good ace/king to gamble, or do you fold and play your own game (which is to push any two frequently yourself?) There was another hand a while back where there were 5 or so equal stacks at the table, and a 2+2er pushed 5xBB into my BB. I made the call with ATo because, again, his range is wide, and if I call, I'll have 10BB while the other 4 stacks have 5BB.

I think I'm horribly misapplying Gigabet here. Please correct me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Matt R.]

By "pretty good", I mean better than a 3-2 favorite against Sponger's range. Unless the other players fold too much on the bubble, then I'd wait for a better hand and steal more instead. Either way, I still like the call because it's not hard to make up 730 in chips with the blinds this high and your stack situation should you lose.

[freemoney]

2+2'er by no stretch of imagination means good player

[Luminous Mist]

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Now, when Sponger properly pushes two cards on the next hand, he will have to <font color="red">fold</font> his <font color="red">small</font> blind?


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But at least can push on Sponger's BB the hand afterwards.

I don't even see how calling this here has anything to do with Block Theory...once the bubble is dead, being able to leverage big stack pressure seems much less than what it could be. Oh, and the 2+2er will actually *possess* the big stack if he/she folds here....and most likely will not if he/she calls.

Luminous

[stupidsucker]

not to mention that people will think twice about pushing on his BB again.

Its very possible he knew you would hate this, and was thinking more long term then short term. If this were 5 handed it would have been a perfect play.

I like his call. Expect to see it from me too. If he knows how to play ITM properly then he has made a good call both chip EV and $ EV.

[Matt R.]

Hey, I like it psyduck, especially since it sounds like there were other good players on the bubble besides yourself. And if I like it, that's all that matters [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. If the other players called too much on the bubble though, I prefer a fold and let them self-destruct. You could get yourself into a lot of trouble by continuing to steal if they call too much with only 2K in chips.

[adanthar]

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Okay, seems like the majority (thus far) disagree with the call. Is it a marginal mistake, or is it horribly wrong?

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In the middle.

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FWIW, I KNEW that the other big stack was a 2+2er, so he would be pushing random junk frequently. This brings up the question of what to do when you know that another opponent is playing like this: do you pick a good ace/king to gamble, or do you fold and play your own game (which is to push any two frequently yourself?)

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Either or, but it doesn't matter what he's pushing when you have 73o unless it's 63o.

Anyway, since we're talking about Gigabet calls: when you are ITM with 3500, your extra 'chip block' is worth a lot less, not more, than when you are 1 chip ahead of everyone else on the bubble. This much should be intuitive.

[curtains]

oh my god this has nothing to do with gigabet it has to do with a remarkable concept called "POT ODDS". There are some other small facotrs involved but mainly this is simply a pot odds problem.