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Re: None of this nursery school stuff - a proper maths problem. 25$ reward
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Re: None of this nursery school stuff - a proper maths problem. 25$ reward
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Lets let A = x + 2.sqrt(-17). Now it is possible to show, by considering the factorisation of y^5, that A itself is a fifth power in this field. This is difficult. [/ QUOTE ] Is there unique prime factorization in Z[sqrt(-17)]? My approach was to note that y must be divisible by 11, then to try to factor the ideal <11>, with the idea of trying to show that A is divisible by 11. However, I believe the ideal <11> factors by duality, since x^2+17 factors mod 11. |
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Re: Solved!!
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x^2 + 68 = y^5 then x^4 + 136x^2 + 68^2 = y^10 Now working modulo 11 By Little Fermat theorem, y^10 = 1 if (y,11)=1 68=2 68^2=4 136 = 4 then x^4 + 4x^2 + 4 = 1 mod 11 (x^2 + 2)^2 = 1 mod 11 therefore x^2 + 2 = 1 so x^2 = -1 mod 11 or x^2 + 2 = -1 this is x^2 = -3 = 8 mod 11 contradiction in both cases!!! Now, if y = 11k then y = 1 mod 10 so, x^2 + 68 = 1 mod 10 x^2 - 2 = 1 mod 10 x^2 = 3 mod 10 contradiction !!! Q.E.D. David [/ QUOTE ] First, I think this the right approach and what I was trying earlier but y = 11k then y = 1 mod 10 is incorrect and I think we should be working modulo 17 (prime factor of 68), not modulo 11. |
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Re: None of this nursery school stuff - a proper maths problem. 25$ re
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Is there unique prime factorization in Z[sqrt(-17)]? [/ QUOTE ] Theorem 8.22 of An Introduction to Number Theory, Harold M. Stark: If d<0, then Q(\sqrt{d}) has the unique factorization property if and only if d is one of the nine numbers -1,-2,-3,-7,-11,-19,-43,-67, and -163. |
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Re: None of this nursery school stuff - a proper maths problem. 25$ re
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[ QUOTE ] Is there unique prime factorization in Z[sqrt(-17)]? [/ QUOTE ] Theorem 8.22 of An Introduction to Number Theory, Harold M. Stark: If d<0, then Q(\sqrt{d}) has the unique factorization property if and only if d is one of the nine numbers -1,-2,-3,-7,-11,-19,-43,-67, and -163. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. Unfortunately, -17 not equal to 1 mod 4, which effectively destroys any chance of the ring of integers of Q(sqrt(-17)) being a UFD. (Briefly, this is because the ring is too small. Note that if a = c + d.sqrt(-17) and b = c - d.sqrt(-17) then (X - a)(X - b) = X^2 - 2cX + c^2 - 17d^2 as the minimum polynomial doesnt have many roots as T =( 1 + sqrt(-17) / 2 ) doesnt solve the above). So finding a euclidean norm is impossible here. For positive values in the sqrt matters get even worse...) But its still possible to navigate around this. But as I said this problem is way too hard, which is my fault. |
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