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05-18-2005, 11:47 AM
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Re: So what\'s the consensus on this river? (flush)
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Good thought. Going for overcalls on the river with the nuts is pretty useless IMO. [/ QUOTE ] What does it matter whether you have the nuts? There are times when going for overcalls with the nuts is right, and times when not going for overcalls with junk two pair is right. The more important criterion is how you can extract the most money, right? In this situation raising is clear but not because you have the nuts. It's just how you can suck the most money. 
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#2
05-18-2005, 12:32 PM
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Re: So what\'s the consensus on this river? (flush)
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[ QUOTE ] Good thought. Going for overcalls on the river with the nuts is pretty useless IMO. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What does it matter whether you have the nuts? [/ QUOTE ] (I didn't have the nuts here) It matters because if you have the nuts you're not fearing a 3-bet from the guy that HAS the nuts.
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05-18-2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: So what\'s the consensus on this river? (flush)
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[ QUOTE ] Good thought. Going for overcalls on the river with the nuts is pretty useless IMO. [/ QUOTE ] What does it matter whether you have the nuts? There are times when going for overcalls with the nuts is right, and times when not going for overcalls with junk two pair is right. The more important criterion is how you can extract the most money, right? In this situation raising is clear but not because you have the nuts. It's just how you can suck the most money. [/ QUOTE ] My bad, thought the Ace-suit was on the board. Okay, I'll say going for overcalls with a lock hand is a minority case. Going for overcalls sometimes nets you more money but more times it's about spreading out your risk than getting the most value. The nice thing about raising is that it opens the opportunity to get multiple bets in. Eh, give me an example where going for overcalls with the nuts is right. I'll bet raising is a close decision and if it's a close decision, I'll go with the one that opens the betting again.
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#4
05-18-2005, 01:09 PM
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Re: So what\'s the consensus on this river? (flush)
I will go for overcalls with the nuts when the bettor acted first and I am next and there are several people to act after me (meaning bare minimum of 3, probably need 5 w/o reads.) All this depends on how likely the donks after me are to call 2 cold or reraise, and how likely the initial bettor is to 3 bet if I raise. Some people won't 3 bet the river w/o the nuts, some will 3 bet with top pair on a 4 card straight and flush board.
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#5
05-18-2005, 06:12 PM
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Re: So what\'s the consensus on this river? (flush)
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Eh, give me an example where going for overcalls with the nuts is right. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, board is not suited and is AQJK2. You have a TT. There is a bettor and you are second to act with 4 people after you. You have the nuts. Is raising close? Don't think so. Top pair or two pair or a set will probably fold for a raise but will probably call if you just call. [ QUOTE ] I'll bet raising is a close decision and if it's a close decision, I'll go with the one that opens the betting again. [/ QUOTE ] Opening up the betting is fine as a general rule of thumb, but is clearly wrong in this case.
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