Aggro hand against FossilMan

[The Gift Of Gab]

Same four-handed 5-10 NLHE as the other post. People have changed seats and Greg is now across the table from me. I think we both have over 2k.

FossilMan opens for 20 UTG. Button folds and I make it 80 straight with red 99. The BB gets out of the way and Greg calls.

Flop (170) is KQ5, all spades. Gorgeous. I bet 140 and Greg calls.

Turn (450) is 8s and we both check.

River (450) is a small, unassuming card. I bet 350.

Some of the details might be wrong and maybe Greg can correct them. Stay tuned for results.

[theBruiser500]

What immeadiately comes to mind is a touranment report fossilman made about i think foxwoods $10,000 tournament. he had a pair of dueces and called preflop, on the flop, and a significant bet on the river all unimproved. i would be very hesitant to try and push him off a hand.

[cornell2005]

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Same four-handed 5-10 NLHE as the other post. People have changed seats and Greg is now across the table from me. I think we both have over 2k.

FossilMan opens for 20 UTG. Button folds and I make it 80 straight with red 99. The BB gets out of the way and Greg calls.

Flop (170) is KQ5, all spades. Gorgeous. I bet 140 and Greg calls.

Turn (450) is 8s and we both check.

River (450) is a small, unassuming card. I bet 350.

Some of the details might be wrong and maybe Greg can correct them. Stay tuned for results.

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since i know how neither of you guys play or how the 4 handed game had been going i cant comment on the hand specifically, but its interesting. like to hear what both were thinking

[The Gift Of Gab]

I wouldn't have gotten out of line if I didn't know he was good enough to lay down a pretty big flush if it looked like a loser. I just wasn't very convincing.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

Your chances of getting me to lay down in a hand like this would be much higher in a live game. Too many wackos online, even if you're not one of them (it can be infectious).

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[turnipmonster]

hey greg, several people have conjectured why you didn't raise the flop. I'd love to hear what your primary motives are for not raising 4 handed. I can understand trapping more in a full game than I can short, but I don't play as good as you. comments on the flop call?

--turnipmonster

[cornell2005]

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hey greg, several people have conjectured why you didn't raise the flop. I'd love to hear what your primary motives are for not raising 4 handed. I can understand trapping more in a full game than I can short, but I don't play as good as you. comments on the flop call?

--turnipmonster

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i like not raising the flop, then raising the turn when the spade doesnt fall. then i like fossils check on the turn, then the river is a tough decision.

on gog's side, thats a weird situation to be put in. i agree he shoulda bet the turn, but fossil has to know theres a good chance he wouldnt play a high spade like this so i figure it wouldnt have mattered, and fossil would have called him down anyway.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

The plan at the time was to just call, and make it look like I had the big spade. Then, when Gab realizes that, he will bet into me on the turn and river, as long as no spade hits, figuring I can't call the river. Then, I raise the river, and either he folds, or he puts me on a desperation bluff and calls, in which case I win really big.

The spade on the turn ruined that plan, had to go to plan B (i.e., make sure Gab does not have a spade).

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[Acesover8s]

If I'm going to bluff again here I'm bluffing the turn. If he calls, I shut down, unless I river two more nines. Checking the turn and betting the river looks wierd here, unless he's seen you do it before with similar hands.

[theBruiser500]

I agree with acesover8s here, I think betting the river here is a little suspicious, betting the turn looks more natural with a real holding. Aces says he'd shut down on the river but if you bet the turn and the river is a spade that might be a good place to try again, depends on how the game was going.