So I thought I should fold my boat...

[MrWookie47]

But I think I like this call down with A high. Same table as my other post, but earlier in the night. Pax hadn't shown up yet. It was just Pedro, Jax, Bottomset and I.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB (bottomset) 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, bottomset calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, bottomset calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">bottomset raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">bottomset bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Why do I think this call down was better? Is it better?

[NateDog]

Set has JTs and YHIG.

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Set has KJs and YHIG.

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[Nfinity]

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Set has KJs and YHIG.

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It was a bit worse for Wook on the Turn than that.

[2+2 wannabe]

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Set has KJs and YHIG.

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It was a bit worse for Wook on the Turn than that.

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lol I change my guess to 77

[bottomset]

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I mix it up with this hand preflop, I like 3betting these types of hands, since it hits a ton of flops, and makes it tougher to read postflop, plus I have position, only bad choice preflop is fold

flop: his cap generally means high cards, or a pair, so I have a BD flush draw, a BD straight draw, and some pair value, since he can easily be capping 88, AJ or the like

turn: well that is the best card in the deck that doesn't make me a pair, I can have upto 21outs(like I ended up having this time), and maybe get him off weaker overcard hands occasionally. most of my turn raises in situations like this a pairs or better

river: he didn't 3bet the turn, so he doesn't have a monster, though this bluff is prob ill-advised since he did call the turn raise, and it was a brick river, not sure if has a hand that can draw to the river, but doesn't have SD value 1/10times, prob not

[kapw7]

You started playing like me? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Although I almost never bluff a 9BB pot on the river against a decent player.

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Although I almost never bluff a 9BB pot on the river against a decent player.

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yeah I don't like the river bet, but I do like the rest of the hand .. and I almost got him [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I think his 3bet range is pretty large from the BB HU preflop. a majority of them aren't pairs, and you're not trailing anything else. You're definitely ahead often enough.

I think you have to call the turn the majority of the time (if not three-betting). Not quite sure if I'm evaluating this correctly, but the tighter bottomset's PF three-betting range is, the more often you're ahead on the turn (sez PokerStove), in addition to the times you improve to the best hand. Also considering the size of the pot, I really don't think folding is an option. He could be raising the turn with almost anything as it's likely it hasn't connected with your possible high-cards.

Wouldn't bet-folding be better here if you're committed to calling a bet on the river? Check-calling allows for bottomset to take a free showdown with a worse A-high or busted draw, and value bet any pair he's made (as an A-high is probably calling on this board, and your play is consistant unpaired overs).

I guess it depends on his propensity to bet the river with a busted draw, or bluff-raise with the same (read dependent). But after you call the turn raise, I generally can't see him seeing you fold the river with an A or an overpair often enough.

Anyway, yeah. Just some thoughts that may or may not be completely wrong.