$1/$2 Stud/8 - A more serious hand

[greenage]

Alchemist sent me a PM asking about this one.

7 Card Stud High-Low ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (hand converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

4th Street - (1.70 SB)

Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (1.85 BB)

Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets___calls

6th Street - (5.85 BB)

Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls

River - (7.85 BB)

Hero: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls

Total pot: (9.85 BB)

[bigredlemon]

What kind of player is he?

Unless he's fishy, he either has a 3flush with two lows under or a pair of tens. You are behind in both situations and aren't giving up much by folding 4th. (He may also have started with 3 to a straight flush if his two down cards are not lows, and the 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] is certainly going to put you very much behind as well.) Since you called fourth, fifth is a mandatory raise since you caught your miracle card and he bricked. The rest plays itself.

Since your hand is stronger than he would expect, I don't mind peeling one off on fourth and hope to get him for a lot more bets if I hit.

[Alchemist]

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Alchemist sent me a PM asking about this one.


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It's mostly centered around the 5th street raise. Is it standard? Seat 4 was new to me, kind of an unusual player--aggressively playing buried big/middle pairs.

But what about Seat 4's bet on 5th? Is it a good bet considering he's facing only the bring-in showing 3 wheel cards? I usually check here since he's called this far.

Playing greenage's hand, is folding 4th here to passive?

Edit:
brl answered most of my questions which I didn't read until after I posted. I'd like to hear more opinions though

[PLOlover]

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Playing greenage's hand, is folding 4th here to passive?

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If I'm in a good game I fold that every time.

[RayGarlington]

Thanks for posting that. I would have played it similarly; but would have merely felt better on 5th rather than raising. Anyhow, I figured there must be some trick to it; otherwise, you would not have posted it, so I ran some 2 dimes sims for the opponent's likely hands on each street. I was surprised that hero is pretty far behind until 5th, where he just pulls even.

So, if the villian is playing a reasonable hand, it is a remarkable come from behind victory. I'm going to *try* to fold more often in this situation.