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Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
UB .25/.50 game (no HH at work so this is from memory).
I have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB. 4 people limp, SB folds, I check. Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.75) I check, planning to fold to any non-minimum bet. TPNK against many people out of position is not a hand I love to see. I might be ahead here but betting out and having to play guessing games about whether I'm against a better king or just a draw (or both) means I could easily lose a lot of money here but probably won't win much. Everybody else checks. Turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.75) Great turn card for me. I bet the pot ($2.75), UTG (~$42) calls, donk MP pushes all-in for ~$10. MP is horrible; he keeps rebuying for $10, then stupidly pushing mediocre hands/draws. I suspect he was slowplaying a decent king (KQ, KJ). Folded to me, and I call (would a reraise be better?). I expect UTG to fold but he calls. He probably has clubs or a worse hand than mine as he's been straightforward about leading out when he's made a hand but check/calling on draws. River K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($~32.75) I have UTG covered and his stack is about pot-sized. Your move? |
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
Would he bet a missed draw if checked to? If he would, I´m check-calling. If you don't think he is that kind of a player, I value bet 1/2-2/3.
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
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Would he bet a missed draw if checked to? If he would, I´m check-calling. If you don't think he is that kind of a player, I value bet 1/2-2/3. [/ QUOTE ] considering that he still has to showdown against the allin player, no he woudlnt. |
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
Well the problem is that unless he's a complete retard, he's not going to be bluffing at the side pot. I like a normal value bet, because people tend to just push all in if they would have to call for most of their stack. Make it say $15-$20. Call a push obviously.
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
How about the turn? Anyone like a reraise there?
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
i like a reraise on the turn because there are legit draws and your hand is very likely to be better than UTG at the moment.
this is not a good spot for a blocking bet because it puts money in the pot to tempt UTG to steal (if you just check he has no reason to bluff) and he is almost always on a draw anyway, so you don't get the benefit of the times he calls. i think i check/fold to an allin (because if he pushes after you checked he has 54 most of the time) and check/call a small bet, i would really expect him to check behind. |
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
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Well the problem is that unless he's a complete retard, he's not going to be bluffing at the side pot. I like a normal value bet, because people tend to just push all in if they would have to call for most of their stack. Make it say $15-$20. Call a push obviously. [/ QUOTE ] there is no side pot. |
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
after further consideration, if he's bad enough to limp 54 UTG maybe he's bad enough to call a value bet with a weak king. i just hate the idea of stacking off against 54 when you know villain can't bluff and probably can't call a value bet anyway.
maybe i'm slightly biased because i figure your posting this hand is evidence that he had 54. |
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
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i like a reraise on the turn because there are legit draws and your hand is very likely to be better than UTG at the moment. this is not a good spot for a blocking bet because it puts money in the pot to tempt UTG to steal (if you just check he has no reason to bluff) and he is probably on a draw (or top pair?) anyway, so you don't get the benefit of the times he calls. i think i check/fold to an allin and check/call a small bet, i would really expect him to check behind. [/ QUOTE ] I think you are correct but I might be results oriented. I bet out $15 and he pushed. With the price I was getting on the push, I felt I had to call (as he could have either the straight or a smaller two pair) and he showed 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Reraising the turn probably wouldn't have gotten rid of him with his 15-outer but I think in general its superior to calling. Calling lets a bare flush draw call with lousy odds (a little over 3:1 on a 4:1 shot, assuming I don't pay off on the river) but many players at this level will call a reraise with just a flush draw for even worse odds. |
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Re: Dry side pot on the river with 2 pair
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maybe i'm slightly biased because i figure your posting this hand is evidence that he had 54. [/ QUOTE ] I was planning on posting the hand the instant he overcalled on the turn. |
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