Poor river raise?

RcrdBoy · #1 09-14-2004, 01:14 AM

Third hand at this table so not many reads. UTG+2 is potential LAG (raised first two hands after I sat down, second was 85s).

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 folds, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (11 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

I thought SB might think he beat my TP. Should I have folded to the 3bet?

In retrospect, is SB really going to call the whole way with only an A? Probably more likely he rivered the better two pair.

Thoughts?
Final Pot: 17 BB

bisonbison · #2 09-14-2004, 01:17 AM

I thought SB might think he beat my TP. Should I have folded to the 3bet?

If you're going to fold to a river 3-bet, you should not raise.

In retrospect, is SB really going to call the whole way with only an A?

Have you played against a LAG before?

Probably more likely he rivered the better two pair.

Meh. I think the raise-call is fine.

RcrdBoy · #3 09-14-2004, 01:35 AM

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Have you played against a LAG before?

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Yeah, the reference was to a different player. Should have left it out in my reads since he wasn't a real "player" in the hand.

Thanks for the feedback.

umaga · #4 09-14-2004, 01:25 AM

"In retrospect, is SB really going to call the whole way with only an A?"

You will see this all the way up to, and including, 15-30. You have to call here, you will be win enough of the time to make it worth it.

umaga · #5 09-14-2004, 01:48 AM

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
Main Pot: 8.50 BB, between Button and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (8.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
Button has As 9h (two pair, eights and fours).
Hero has Ah Ac (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.50 BB.

bisonbison · #6 09-14-2004, 01:49 AM

Why did you check the flop?

umaga · #7 09-14-2004, 01:54 AM

Button is generally very aggressive, was going for a check raise. My experience so far in Party 15-30 is that if you raise pre-flop, check the flop, someone will automatically bet in to you. The pre-flop raising there is typically so aggressive that people don't mark you down as having a powerful hand because you raised pre-flop.

chesspain · #8 09-14-2004, 02:22 AM

Raise preflop.

RcrdBoy · #9 09-14-2004, 02:36 AM

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Raise preflop.

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With 5 people already in the pot and the button in hand it didn't seem like there were a lot of benefits. Building a pot with a poor multiway hand didn't seem like a good idea.

OTOH, I don't play KQo very well and I play it reluctantly.

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