Spewing? Do you ever fire the third bullet here?

Bodog 200 NL Full ring
I have Qd Jd in SB
unraised pot, limper or two

Flop: Ad 7c 9d I believe
Guy in MP leads for pot (12 I believe)
I C/R to 35, he thinks and calls

Turn is a blank
I fire 60 into 80 pot
He thinks, and calls

River is an offsuit 10
100 left in my stack, 100 left in his, and pot is pretty big now.
Gotta give up here? Does anyone fire the third bullet? Whatever it is that he has, he doesn't seem to be wanting to let go of it. I think the results MAY somewhat surprise some of you. MAYBE. Doubt it though.

I think this is bigtime spewing with just the flush draw, and I should be zapped with a cattle prod. I can't just call on the flop, so I think flop raise is only way to go about it if I want to continue with the hand. Do you lead the turn if he just calls like that, after thinking? Power of position, sigh. Folding flop is likely the best by far, as chasing 9 outers OOP sucks.

[yvesaint]

i think his most likely holding is Ax, probably AJ-AT ish that doesnt believe you

from experience, pushing this river = very -EV

[soah]

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unraised pot, limper or two
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Guy in MP leads for pot (12 I believe)

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How many limpers?

4, not counting me in SB and BB I think. Villain was in MP. This is going from memory. I'm pretty sure villain bet pot, so that would have to have been the case.

He can't let go of his ace. Bizarre number for a check raise though.

I don't see how he can fold the river push. Pushing=serious -EV.

200 NL isn't really a bluffing place anyway. You could have checked the turn even though to any good player it would have been obvious what you had then bet the river had you hit. It'll usually get paid off anyway.

There aren't too many people at 200 NL you could even get away with this so don't try.

I would absolutely bet that turn if he takes that long to call. Turn call means he's just decided that if you have him beat so be it.

Heard this story a number of times. You know he's weak--he knows he's weak yet he won't fold.

[Maulik]

I fold this flop.

Flop: Ad 7c 9d I believe
Guy in MP leads for pot (12 I believe)
I C/R to 35, he thinks and calls

Well it didn't work on the flop, shutdown.

[Leptyne]

When you fire at the villain with the flop c/r you need some kind of read that gives you a reason to believe that you stand some chance of success. So what kind of read did you have?

Look at the other side. Has he ever seen you try this before?

Nothing wrong with taking a shot at someone that has the weak-tite disease. If called I'm probably thru with the hand.

[pokerjoker]

the reason we're making money right now is because people don't know how to fold river.

Just that your questioning if u should fire a 3rd bullet means its a bad idea.

Very rarely is it a good idea to fire 3rd or even 2nd bullet

[soah]

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When you fire at the villain with the flop c/r you need some kind of read that gives you a reason to believe that you stand some chance of success. So what kind of read did you have?

Look at the other side. Has he ever seen you try this before?

Nothing wrong with taking a shot at someone that has the weak-tite disease. If called I'm probably thru with the hand.

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This was to be my next response after confirming that there were four limpers, and not "one or two". Checkraise bluffs against five loose opponents is spewing.

Yea, I really needed a cattle prodding after this.

Villain was stubborn with his AJo. What was his thought process? There must have been none. What did he think he beat? This spew got me action at the table and I got my money back fairly quickly, so I guess it wasn't all bad even though the play itself sucked. I ended the session up 3 buyins, but I could not get over the fact that I had no FE over AJ in that spot. If I had something like a set there, which I would likely play the same way, I feel I would never get that kind of action. Heeeeehaw [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]