$525: Reraising or Folding with ATo?

[pineapple888]

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Why is folding correct? I'm not sure if I necessarily agree
with you. This was a turbo tournament. The blinds were about to increase. Does the villian really need to have a big hand to push with UTG? AT is certainly not a premium hand, even by any stretch of the imagination, but against the range of hands I think he is willing to push with I believe I come out ahead. If I do reraise and push what are the chances of either one of the blinds finding a hand?
From my perspective I don't think this is so black and white.

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You think you're *ahead* of the range of an 8-handed UTG raise here at a tight $500 table, despite the responses you've gotten from respected posters? If so, there's nothing more for anyone to say.

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As far as avoiding a SNG because of one player, I think that's a bunch of hogwash. He might be a great player, I
have no idea and I certainly didn't find out last night, but there still are seven other players besides Zee.

Bruce

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But only three finish ITM. Zee takes one of those slots 40% of the time. How do you like your chances now?

[bruce]

A random player theoretically finishes ITM 30% of the time.

Bruce

Not on 'Stars..

[pineapple888]

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A random player theoretically finishes ITM 30% of the time.

Bruce

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In practice, significantly less than 30% of the time. That's why good players make money, even with the vig.

But whatever. You obviously have no real interest in anyone's feedback.

This is really just a brag post of how you made a "great" (actually bad) call of a "great" (actually bad) push.

[HoldingFolding]

I haven't played turbos, but surely you've played enough 215s to know that nobody is pushing from UTG 8 handed with anything you want to see (unless maybe it's 77/88/99 for a coin flip) and villain just isn't that shortstacked yet, he's far more likely to push with crud from the SB in two hands.

[bennies]

Naa, AJ maaaaaaaybe but no, I'd fold before I shat my pants. AQ I'd call (shatting abundantly while watching THOSE STUPID SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ROLLING CARDS ON STARS, IM GOING CRAZY WAITING FOR THOSE RIVERSALKHGAIHGAKVBALKH

[bruce]

I push reraised and both blinds folded. UTG had Q9s and Ace
high was the best hand.

I respectfully disagree that this an automatic fold. At this
level of play I truely believed that there was a high likelyhood that UTG was making a move. I know if I were him
I would be pushing with plenty of suboptimal hands. A friend of mine watching my play thought I had lost my mind, but I feel like my play was very reasonable.

I may also be slightly biased from previous tournaments. I
open pushed on the bubble in a big live MTT at the Commerce
with 28 players left and 27 being played and I was put all
in and eliminated by AT.

I did, by the way, win the event. I felt at the time that
this was going to be the key hand for me. I was relatively
shortstacked and I needed to double up and this, although risky, seemed liked an opportunity for me to get chips where
I might very well be the favorite.

Perhaps I'm results oriented, but better lucky maybe, than good.

Bruce

[HoldingFolding]

Wow, I sit corrected; never has my flabber been so gasted.

[bigt439]

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I push reraised and both blinds folded. UTG had Q9s and Ace
high was the best hand.

I respectfully disagree that this an automatic fold. At this
level of play I truely believed that there was a high likelyhood that UTG was making a move. I know if I were him
I would be pushing with plenty of suboptimal hands. A friend of mine watching my play thought I had lost my mind, but I feel like my play was very reasonable.

I may also be slightly biased from previous tournaments. I
open pushed on the bubble in a big live MTT at the Commerce
with 28 players left and 27 being played and I was put all
in and eliminated by AT.

I did, by the way, win the event. I felt at the time that
this was going to be the key hand for me. I was relatively
shortstacked and I needed to double up and this, although risky, seemed liked an opportunity for me to get chips where
I might very well be the favorite.

Perhaps I'm results oriented, but better lucky maybe, than good.

Bruce

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Unless you know utg to be a horrible horrible player (which he ends up being), this is not a call. Your call is quite bad, his push is horrendous.

EDIT: Okay, I look like a jackass, but I'm actually going to leave my original reply in there and follow it up by saying it is quite wrong. With reasonable ranges this guys UTG push is actually +EV... ? Surprised the hell out of me. Obviously. So if this guy is pushing a fair amount (and it does have to be a pretty decent-sized range, but not crazy), this can actually become a call. Wow. Very surprised, and I think alot of people will be too.

[bawcerelli]

given that the blinds are about to go up to 200/400, i don't think the push or call are as bad as everyone seems to think.