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Old 07-05-2005, 09:56 AM
Easy E Easy E is offline
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slow rolling the nuts is the same as exposing your hand during action. it's not against the rules

better look up those rules again. Those two aren't the same.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:10 AM
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Agree.. I never heard of the guy until this past week, and the first impression of him wasn't good.

Good post, and I don't think ST was out of line doing what he did to, "Get The Chips In!"
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:28 AM
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What Simon Trumper did here - even if remotely true - is a really, really, really low-class act and bad for poker in general.

It amazes me that so many people in this thread fail to see that. Actually, it's kind of depressing.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:38 AM
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On Poker Superstars 2... Is Johnny Chan low-class for asking Chris Moneymaker for a chip-count when CM moved all in on Chan's A-A??

He spent about 30-45 seconds counting out CM's chips, and then his own chips, before deciding to call.


He clearly was trying to get Ted Forrest in the pot too. If Chan knew 100% that another 45 seconds would have gotten Forrest's pocket 8-8 in the pot, would he have done it?

Absolutely! Would he have been Low-Class for it? Nope! That's great poker IMO.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:43 AM
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Burning clock to fake a tough decision is lame, lame, lame. It's already the case that 95% of the rulebook exists only because lamers make it necessary. I'm sure before long that'll describe 99.9% of the rulebook

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"Law is made for the bad man" (or something to that effect) -- Oliver Wendell Holmes.
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:48 AM
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but if itīs 2 minutes what it takes to make Barry to call, Iīd do it every time.



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I really want to play against you then, I estimate we'd get in around 5 hands an hour, and the rest of the time would be spent with me waiting for you to stop [censored] around.

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I think you know exactly what I meant. It seems Barry got outplayed, and likely the only action for Simon to get the other chips was to make this act.

Now I donīt know about you, but I donīt have the nuts that often to only make it for 5 hands in an hour. You must be way more lucky than me.

If somebody takes 2 minutes for an act in 3 days of playing, I accept it if itīs within the rules and serves an purpose. If somebody takes 2 minutes for every action, he will be called for the clock immediatly when itīs his turn (things like that happend already in bubble situations).

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Think about it

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I donīt think I have to think about it, since it was obvious what I meant.

Martin Aigner
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Old 07-05-2005, 10:55 AM
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but if itīs 2 minutes what it takes to make Barry to call, Iīd do it every time.



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I really want to play against you then, I estimate we'd get in around 5 hands an hour, and the rest of the time would be spent with me waiting for you to stop [censored] around.


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I think you know exactly what I meant. It seems Barry got outplayed, and likely the only action for Simon to get the other chips was to make this act.

Now I donīt know about you, but I donīt have the nuts that often to only make it for 5 hands in an hour. You must be way more lucky than me.

If somebody takes 2 minutes for an act in 3 days of playing, I accept it if itīs within the rules and serves an purpose. If somebody takes 2 minutes for every action, he will be called for the clock immediatly when itīs his turn (things like that happend already in bubble situations).


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Fair enough, we'll agree to differ I think it was bang out of order and served no purpose at all, Barry had to put 8k more into a 90k pot with the second nuts, do you really think he needed to ham up like an idiot to get that, I don't.

The river bet by Barry was awful in my opinion, he got himself in a spot he wasn't getting out of, he wasn't outplayed either, the other guy made a donk turn call with 7 outs against one of the best players in the world, hardly the stuff of legend.

Mack
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:01 AM
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the other guy made a donk turn call with 7 outs against one of the best players in the world, hardly the stuff of legend.

Mack

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ST didn't know he only had 7 outs on the turn. He might have the full 9 for the flush. Also what were his other 2 cards? Maybe he had a straight draw as well or even a boat draw.
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:08 AM
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for extra bad assery, Trumper knows he probably killed 4-5 starving children by knocking Greenstein out.

I don't see how his move is any different from check raising, he did something completely within the rules.

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You are probably in the same crowd that thinks delaying to the max at the end of the tournament is the same as check-rasing too.
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:11 AM
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ST didn't know he only had 7 outs on the turn. He might have the full 9 for the flush. Also what were his other 2 cards? Maybe he had a straight draw as well or even a boat draw.

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Hi

I don't think anyone has mentioned the other 2 cards, we only know about the A8s so yes he could have had additional outs such as two pair or even a set of aces.

Mack
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