A worried brother asking for help

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How did he manage to lose 12K of your money?

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Exactly what I was thinking. He didn't steal the money from you, did he? Did you lend it to him? Because lending money to a compulsive gambler is like buying heroin to an addict. But this is old news, of course.

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How did he manage to lose 12K of your money?

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Exactly what I was thinking. He didn't steal the money from you, did he? Did you lend it to him? Because lending money to a compulsive gambler is like buying heroin to an addict. But this is old news, of course.

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I'd like to know how he is 5K in debt to various sites? They don't extend credit. This line alone makes me doubt the story.

[A_Junglen]

That's a very sad story, and cannot offer any helpful advice.

Just wanted to say I hope for the best.

[teddyFBI]

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How did he manage to lose 12K of your money?

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Exactly what I was thinking. He didn't steal the money from you, did he? Did you lend it to him? Because lending money to a compulsive gambler is like buying heroin to an addict. But this is old news, of course.

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I'd like to know how he is 5K in debt to various sites? They don't extend credit. This line alone makes me doubt the story.

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he prob just means 12K in debt on his CC that he used to buy in.

My little bro had EXACTLY the same experience, and he asked me for help to pay off his $2,000 gambling CC debt.

He's not in as bad shape though, since I think he was smart enough to realize poker is gay if you're a losing player, and stopped.

[ngmucker]

He had access to my party acct and IGM

[ngmucker]

No, of course I didn't lend it to him. He knew my party info and deposited money from IGM

[ngmucker]

Well, if you verify your bank acct with such sites as firepay, they let you deposity, even if you don't have money in your bank acct. I assure you this is a true story and i really would like advice.

[bobbyi]

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I'd like to know how he is 5K in debt to various sites? They don't extend credit.

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Yes they do.

Greetings,

I am sorry to hear about your brother's compulsive gambling and the negative impact it has had on both of you. I can relate to you on various levels because my brother is an extremely addicted gambler. To make matters worse, like many compulsive gamblers, he will manipulate or outright steal from his family members.

I used to enable him and when he would blow his paycheck I would give him maybe $50, a carton of cigarettes, and fill up his gas tank. I was not, and am not, very wealthy and this constituted a lot money. My parents enabled him on a much greater level. They would chronically "borrow" him money, which usually wasn't paid back. They would wire money to Las Vegas when he busted out. They even paid for lawyers to help him avoid prosecution!

It got to the point where the only time my brother would come around is when he wanted money to pay for gambling debts or to gamble. He even ransacked my apartment and pawned off my CD collection and various electronics.

And I tried and tried to intervene and my efforts were always futile. He kept promising he would quit gambling and never did. My dad passed away a few years ago, leaving the family with a very substantial amount of money. He managed to gamble away his half of $100,000 life insurance policy in a year. Then he returned to his old tactics of threats, manipulation and promises. My mother gave him 10's of thousands more in 'loans' and other expenses.

Eventually, my mom snapped and gave her financial control to another family member. Also, she put a person in control of her finances who knew she was an enabler. Even the family lawyer was involved. For the past 3 years she has been transparent with her finances and still doesn't control her own checkbook!

I also have had to learn to say no and at first it was very difficult and emotionally draining. I just remember that ultimately I am not responsible for his gambling. I am only responsible for my behavior, and I will not facilitate his further destruction with compulsive gambling. And compulsive gamblers can be some of the most persistant, manipulative and difficult people you can deal with. You have to learn to be assertive and say 'NO,' even if you see them homeless and wearing rags. You didn't put them in that position and you can only temporarily get them out of it. Change comes from within. It's folly to think you can make your brother better again. Perhaps the best thing you can do is not supply him with any money, don't make excuses for him, don't allow him to steal from you without legal consequences. In a word: don't enable him.

I tried hard to get my brother to see a behavioral health professional. It was futile. While I couldn't force him to see a mental health expert, I could modify my own behavior. I no longer give him a penny (I do give him non-cash gifts for holidays). Also, my mom no longer enables him and he now has to be self-reliant.

BTW, he even moved in with his grandma last year and took her for a ride! She ended up giving him a car and $10K. He made all the promises and said all the nice things. Eventually, after trips to ER for chest pain, she kicked him out.

Given that all his sources dried up, that nobody was willing to continue enabling him, he ultimately got a full-time job plus a part-time job. He works 60 hours a week and is responsible for all his daily needs. My mom is much happier and is doing very well for herself financially.

Unfortunately, my brother doesn't call us very often and doesn't come around anymore. I guess we did lose the contact we used to have with him. Also, it's painful to see a family member make consistently self-destructive choices when you want them to succeed and be happy. But in retrospect, we wish we would have stopped enabling him a decade ago.

For your sake, I hope you choose not to enable your brother because you will likely suffer along with him instead of helping him. You'll likely just temporarily extend his career as compulsive gambler. I would recommend he see a psychologist/addiction specialist. I'm sure some encouragement and emotional support couldn't hurt either.

If he's anything like my brother, he will scoff at the idea of seeing a professional. He will say there's nothing wrong with him and you're being a judgemental hypocrite. He will refuse to enter a treatment program and will continue to manipulate, lie and steal. Those are the choices he might CHOOSE to make. You, however, can CHOOSE not to enable him and refuse to allow yourself to feel miserable, realizing your brother is suffering and refuses to change.

JeffreyREBT "Wherein I don't promise to make you rich without trying, or even trying very hard; I do promise to say things that will make you FEEL rich."

[chesspain]

Jeff,

Reading your post makes me wonder whether either your father or one of your maternal grandparents was alcoholic.