PP 40k - dumb move?

#1 10-01-2005, 02:03 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1500 (10 handed) converter

UTG (t38849)
UTG+1 (t7953)
UTG+2 (t14860)
MP1 (t6085)
MP2 (t11656)
MP3 (t34898)
CO (t46532)
Button (t10950)
Hero (t20484)
BB (t14094)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t3500, 5 folds, Button raises to t6200, Hero raises to t8900

Hotrod0823 · #2 10-01-2005, 02:22 AM

Well UTG+1 bet 1/2 his stack then the Button reraised to more than 1/2 his stack so you then essentially put them both all in with AQs.

I think I fold with all that action.

#3 10-01-2005, 02:25 AM

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Well UTG+1 bet 1/2 his stack then the Button reraised to more than 1/2 his stack so you then essentially put them both all in with AQs.

I think I fold with all that action.

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You don't think UTG was getting desperate and that the button was trying to isolate me?

FishInAPhoneBooth · #4 10-01-2005, 08:42 AM

Button's raise was not an attempt to isolate you because you had not acted yet. It would also be an odd attempt at isolation because he did not go all-in. So he is either an idiot or isn't too worried about a call behind him.

betgo · #5 10-01-2005, 09:22 AM

Two half stack bets look more dangerous than two pushes.

However, neither of the two players in the hand has more than 7xBB. With short stacks, I usually find I am better off playing against two allins with AQ, 99, or something. It is possible that someone has AA-QQ or AK. However, you could easily be ahead of both players, or ahead of one and a coin flip with the other. Even three-way, you are getting significant pot odds with the blinds.

#6 10-01-2005, 11:44 AM

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Two half stack bets look more dangerous than two pushes.

However, neither of the two players in the hand has more than 7xBB. With short stacks, I usually find I am better off playing against two allins with AQ, 99, or something. It is possible that someone has AA-QQ or AK. However, you could easily be ahead of both players, or ahead of one and a coin flip with the other. Even three-way, you are getting significant pot odds with the blinds.

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It wasn't an easy hand because for me of conflicting thoughts:

Positives:
Short stack might be getting desperate
By virtue of position, button has lower starting hands standard
Pot odds

Negatives:
Gap Concept
AQ is underdog to quite a few pocket pairs

#7 10-01-2005, 11:51 AM

fold. First guy raised half his stack, probably with the intention of pushing any flop, and the second guy reraises on the button showing strength. If second guy wanted to isolate, he would have raised all in to get the other guy 1 on 1, but he probably has a big hand and wouldn't mind 1 more call behind him to get more chips. Since you put him all in, I'm guessing he called and had a high pair, or AK suited.

I just can't see you being ahead here, so fold, and save half your stack.

Matador225 · #8 10-01-2005, 12:23 PM

Yea this is definitely a fold IMO. UTG might be getting desperate, but I think he definitely has something that he is willing to risk his tournament life on. If it was folded to you I think isolating him would have been your best play. I lay it down due to the Button's small raise. Looks like he wouldn't mind getting someone to call behind him.