JJ multiway, raised on flop

newhizzle · #1 10-23-2005, 07:03 PM

UTG+2 is 27/7/1.8
MP1 is 35/15/1
SB is unknown

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 folds.

Flop: (11.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls planning to donk most turns

bigalt · #2 10-23-2005, 07:11 PM

what's the problem with collecting the extra SB from everyone before leading the turn?

newhizzle · #3 10-23-2005, 07:16 PM

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what's the problem with collecting the extra SB from everyone before leading the turn?

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it does nothing to protect my hand

Harv72b · #4 10-23-2005, 07:23 PM

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it does nothing to protect my hand

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Neither does donking the turn if UTG+2 decides not to raise again (or figures out what you're doing and flat out folds his 2-outer). Either way, the field will be getting about 10:1 to continue.

I like just 3-betting the flop & playing it from there.

newhizzle · #5 10-23-2005, 08:25 PM

Turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB checks, hero...

what's my line if i 3bet flop?
what's my line if i didnt?

W. Deranged · #6 10-23-2005, 08:40 PM

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what's the problem with collecting the extra SB from everyone before leading the turn?

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it does nothing to protect my hand

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AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Who cares! Of course you can't protect your hand. You are three-betting for...

...you guessed it...

VALUE!

Think about it logically. If you're ahead on the turn enough to donk bet, aren't you ahead enough now to three-bet? The fact that you make the pot bigger is not all that significant, as opponents who are calling a turn bet are probably going to call regardless of whether a few more SB go in on the flop. Three-betting may mean you're less likely to get raised on the turn by the flop raiser, but you can't really count on this happening after a turn donk-bet anyway.

toss · #7 10-23-2005, 08:56 PM

If 3-bet flop, bet/fold the turn.

If no 3-bet, check/fold is SB calls and check/calldown if SB folds.

B Dids · #8 10-23-2005, 11:36 PM

Why do you want to donk the turn? Seems like a good way to get the least from a hand like A8.

jason_t · #9 10-24-2005, 12:48 AM

3-bet the goddamned flop.