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Old 12-18-2005, 05:23 AM
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<font color="blue"> That generally happens when you give an incorrect analogy. </font>

The analogy is right, you just found a loophole. The bottom line is, God gave man intelligence and reason. Yet, He doesn't seem to want man to USE this reason when it comes to forming his beliefs and instead demands irrational faith. If you're an athiest (for the right reasons), then you should no doubt understand this because it is "THE" reason to be an athiest.


<font color="blue"> I guess you don't work in sales. </font>

Literally laughed out loud! I close people for a living.



<font color="blue"> Reason has very little to do with persuasion. </font>

You should follow a joke with a smiley or something to indicate when you're kidding.
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Old 12-18-2005, 03:30 PM
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Heres another question. If there was empirical evidence proving that the big bang theory is how life began would you still keep your faith and believe in god.
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Old 12-18-2005, 04:44 PM
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What is the prior probability of said miracle?

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Much lower than the prior probability that a Pope would lie.

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I've read some ludicrous statements on 2+2 before. But this is one is tops. I tip my hat.

Popes are not only congenital liars; the edifice of the office and its complete history is a blackened blatant lie besmirched with thievery, avarice, human butchery, bloodthirstiness, downright silliness, intolerance, and the most gorgeous heaps of convoluted imbecility known in the annals of human idiocy.

Two links for your reading and viewing pleasure:

True Catholics

Antipopes?


The Yin-Yang Man
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Old 12-18-2005, 06:13 PM
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Any objective scientific and psychological method which cannot determine a natural cause is the normal method for establishing the truth of a miracle.

One should do it because the falsehood of a perceived miracle could lead people astray and away from the truth. For example, a Pope performing miracles could lead to the worship of the Pope rather then the religion he represents. There are instances of demonic activity which seemed like "miracles" but were determined not to be by the Church. The end result of these false miracles was always the damnation of souls, even if it did not look like it from the outset.
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Old 12-18-2005, 06:36 PM
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Any objective scientific and psychological method which cannot determine a natural cause is the normal method for establishing the truth of a miracle.

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So by miracle you just mean you don't know?

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Old 12-18-2005, 08:59 PM
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Do we know anything really? We are all just puppets in a game.
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Old 12-18-2005, 09:13 PM
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Do we know anything really? We are all just puppets in a game.

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Maybe, I'm happy to accept that I don't know.

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Old 12-18-2005, 09:18 PM
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Do we know anything really? We are all just puppets in a game.

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I don't mind being in the game. It's the puppet part that would take all the fun out of it.
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Old 12-19-2005, 01:22 AM
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I don't think the opinion of Penn and his ilk should be taken more seriously than certain religious figures. Professional skeptics earn their money trying to prove things wrong, so they always have a vested interest.

A religion may have a vested interest too, but the circumstances must be examined. For example, there is no financial or social benefit of going into a monastery. I would be far more inclined to believe the word of a monk than the "Amazing Randi".

The Plains Indians in America were very respectful of the Catholic "Black Robes" who lived and worked among them compared to the Protestant preachers and other worldy people whom they saw having self interest.
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Old 12-19-2005, 03:58 AM
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Do we know anything really? We are all just puppets in a game.

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Punch and Judy, to Their Audience

Our puppets strings are hard to see,
So we perceive ourselves as free,
Convinced that no mere objects could
Behave in terms of bad and good.

To you, we mannequins seem less
than live, because our consciousness
is that of dummies, made to sit
on laps of gods and mouth their wit;

Are you, our transcendental gods,
likewise dangled from your rods,
and need, to show spontaneous charm,
some higher god's inserted arm?

We seem to form a nested set,
With each the next one's marionette,
Who, if you asked him, would insist,
that he's the last ventriloquist.

-Theodore Melnechuk
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