Is this a good floor decision at Wynn?

[Jeffage]

Any dispute about ownership of a pot must be made before the first riffle of the shuffle for the next hand. After that, nothing can be done.

Jeff

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As far as I knew up until today, the managaement was not allowed to look back at the cameras to make a floor decision or to correct something done in error. If there was an error that wasn't pointed out in time, next hand. Here was the situation today.

I was sitting in a NL game at the Wynn when on the river, the first player turns over QQ for queens up and the 2nd player turns over A7 for 7's up. The dealer picks up the QQ and mucks it. Than pushes the pot over to the A7. As he is shuffling, the player next to the QQ guy said "wait a minute, isn't the pot his (pointing to the QQ guy)" The dealer said he thought it was QK. Several others at the table including myself confirmed it was QQ. The A7 already stacked the chips and as far as my knowledge goes, the pot belongs to him. I have lost many big pots in similar situations.

Anyway, they call the floor over. And the floor says that if we agree it was QQ, we can give the pot back to him. So now he has to find out all the action to get the pot exactly right. Of course, no one could remember or agree on who put money into the pot or how much. They went to the cameras and came back 15 minutes later, giving the chips to QQ. Is this normal?

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You have lost many pots in this situation...????

How about protecting your hand the dealer never touches my cards till i got my chips in front of me. Its the players responsibility to protect his hand, pot should be the 7s.

[TM1212]

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I have lost many big pots in similar situations.


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Where the hell are you playing?!?!?!?!?! Wherever it is, STOP PLAYING THERE.

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I agree, why would ever go back to a place that cost you money like that?

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its his fault not the places... Protect the winning hand!!!!

[TM1212]

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I've posted this before, but it is directly on point. I was at a 2/4 table at Canterbury (on a date with Mrs. Milo), when a hand that should have been a chop (A8 vs. A5 on an A2294 board, or some such) was pushed to the A8. Halfway through the next deal, I realized this and told the dealer. She immediately saw her mistake and called the floor. The cards were long gone, so they reconstructed the hand, took the pot from the winner and held it for 15 minutes or so while they reviewed the tape. When the floor returned, he chopped the ~$30 pot.

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THIS IS HORRIBLE PROTECT UR HAND

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If there was doubt about the size of the pot or the best hand the procedure typically used by a good floor is to impound the pot (or the approximate size of the pot) and place the chips in stacks or a rack near the dealer tray. Then the floor calls the shift manager who would then call surveillance. It generally takes about ten to fifteen minutes to get things fixed.

As an aside, if you protect your hand and double check your opponents hand and the board this would not happen.

~ Rick

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exactly protecting your winner... ur responsiblity no one elses!

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Any dispute about ownership of a pot must be made before the first riffle of the shuffle for the next hand. After that, nothing can be done. - Jeff

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Did you read my second post? This isn't 100% true in clubs I've worked or played.

~ Rick

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further confirming that all floorpeople in AC are clueless douches.

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Its his fault not the floor person protect the winners!!!