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deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
live 5-10, it was 6- or 7-handed at 6 or 7 am. background info on villain: he's a dangerous player, plays fast and loose and very aggressive. when i first got into the game he had a 5k+ stack; he then lost it all, reloaded for the max of 1500, and now a few hours later has a 5k+ stack again. he's been raising at least 50% of his hands, and probably over 90% when he's in position, which has been making me pretty miserable since i'm 3 seats to his left, so my blinds have been getting raised every round. i started the hand with ~4300, he has me covered. he raises from the co to 35, meaning he has 2 cards. sb calls, i'm in the bb and see JJ. reraise? i just called. flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] we check to him and he bets 50, sb folds and i raise to 200 straight. he says, "are you pulling a move?" and calls. i'm thinking he has a flush draw. turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] pretty innocuous card. i lead for 400, he calls. now i'm thinking, hmm, am i getting trapped? but i still believe i have the best hand. river: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] another seemingly harmless card. what's my play here? comments on other streets welcomed also. |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
reraise preflop is mandatory. mandatory.
I check/call river. |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
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reraise preflop is mandatory. mandatory. I check/call river. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
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[ QUOTE ] reraise preflop is mandatory. mandatory. I check/call river. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] reraise preflop is mandatory. mandatory. I check/call river. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
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reraise preflop is mandatory. mandatory. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying reraising is not the best option. It probably is. We know we've got the best hand and should probably make villian pay. But there are some definite down sides. We're defining our hand against an opponent who's not gonna fold, is in position, and plays relatively well post flop. And we're building a big pot with a hand that's very difficult to play out of position (especially against this type of opponent). I think calling pre-flop is a valid option....Please discuss |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
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[ QUOTE ] reraise preflop is mandatory. mandatory. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying reraising is not the best option. It probably is. We know we've got the best hand and should probably make villian pay. But there are some definite down sides. We're defining our hand against an opponent who's not gonna fold, is in position, and plays relatively well post flop. And we're building a big pot with a hand that's very difficult to play out of position (especially against this type of opponent). I think calling pre-flop is a valid option....Please discuss [/ QUOTE ] you summed up a lot of my thoughts wrt my pf decision here. against most ppl i reraise, but against a good thinking lag i think it's a bad spot to do so, esp with 430bb stacks. i'd rather reraise here with 86s than with JJ. but if my preflop intent was to play a smaller pot with a difficult hand oop, i then went ahead and built a big one postflop anyhow...so, yeah, i butchered this hand. |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
if he has a draw, his $50 flop bet is weak for a LAG and since you check-raise there, a big draw would likely put in a three bet. any overpair would probably see a bigger flop bet there. so looks like nothing, flopped monster, and then a smaller overpair (maybe QQ).
Turn looks fine, I'd check/call the river. some people like to wait until a blank turns before making a move and I don't know if that's how you want to approach playing this hand OOP, but it'll help keep the pot to a minimum. (negative being you lose a ton of $ by folding a scare turn.) |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
Hey Mike,
[ QUOTE ] you summed up a lot of my thoughts wrt my pf decision here. against most ppl i reraise, but against a good thinking lag i think it's a bad spot to do so, esp with 430bb stacks. [/ QUOTE ] On the contrary, the depth of the stacks is the reason that reraising here is probably best. [ QUOTE ] i'd rather reraise here with 86s than with JJ. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see why that would be the case against the opponent in question. 86s is going to be much harder to play out of position against this player with super-deep stacks than JJ. Not to mention that JJ is the better hand intrinsically. [ QUOTE ] so, yeah, i butchered this hand. [/ QUOTE ] Preflop was iffy, but flop and turn looked pretty good to me... Hope it worked out. ML4L |
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Re: deep-stack 5-10 hand: JJ out of position
Why does re-raising a guy who is raising 50% of his hands "define your hand"? If he happens to wake up with a better hand this time, that's his reward for being so aggressive. You'll get him back the times he doesn't have a big hand - which will be much more often given how aggressive he is.
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