A hand from the 2+2 table last night - Page 2

MrWookie47 · #11 11-01-2005, 03:17 PM

I'll offer some more thoughts on my play at the end. For now, I'll just post the next chunk of action.

I raised. Pax called.

Turn was a thrid deuce.

Pax check/raises me.

What's his range? What does he think my range is, and what's the plan?

cold_cash · #12 11-01-2005, 03:19 PM

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If my opponent was so spazzy as to be 3betting overcards, I think I'd want to put in a value raise in there before calling him down, no?

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I think if he 3-bets the turn and you raise again after that you're the spazzy one. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

aK13 · #13 11-01-2005, 03:24 PM

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I'll offer some more thoughts on my play at the end. For now, I'll just post the next chunk of action.

I raised. Pax called.

Turn was a thrid deuce.

Pax check/raises me.

What's his range? What does he think my range is, and what's the plan?

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A7, AK/AQ, any PP. I'm sure both of you each other has not hit this board.

I would 3bet here, FWIW.

aces_dad · #14 11-01-2005, 03:32 PM

The c/r turn seems to mean he thinks the board has completely missed you, or else after getting raised on the flop he'd attempt to bet/3bet the turn. He's putting you on UI overs / broadway now.

The no cap pf may be one factor which helps him think he's ahead along with no broadway boards yet, and he's not going into calldown mode yet. He could have a good A or A7 or any PP.

I three bet this as the hands your behind (the premium PP's unless he's being tricky with them) would have 3bet the flop or bet/3bet the turn not c/r the turn. And you're ahead of a large range of hands he could hold as well. If the turn is capped then I just c/c river.

kapw7 · #15 11-01-2005, 03:51 PM

It's clear now that he has a PP. You are more times behind than ahead with 99 so you can calldown and prey

(He didn't have 72 did he?)

aK13 · #16 11-01-2005, 04:09 PM

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It's clear now that he has a PP. You are more times behind than ahead with 99 so you can calldown and prey

(He didn't have 72 did he?)

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I don't know how much SH he plays, but if Pax has a decent amount of experience, esp against 2+2ers, I think both wookie and Pax are capable of value raising AK on this type of board SH.

DCWildcat · #17 11-01-2005, 04:09 PM

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You didn't cap so he's not putting you on AA-TT or AK. So that leaves, AT-AQ and 77-99 as possiblilites. He 3-bet so he could have AQ-AK, AA-TT. If it's AK he knows he's ahead of everything but 77-99. AA-TT he's way ahead of everything but 77. AQ he's got you dominated, tied, or beat by 77-99. I think I smooth call the flop and raise a non-scary turn but fold to a 3-bet.

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this is a super, super narrow range of hands.

I'm raising the flop, calling a 3-bet and raising nearly any turn for a free showdown.

deception5 · #18 11-01-2005, 04:12 PM

I agree - just call down after the turn raise.

Edit: The more I think about it the more I prefer a turn 3-bet and folding to any further aggression. Calling and then having him check the river puts us in a tough spot where we have to choose between checking behind or bet/folding, neither of which is an attractive option.

MrWookie47 · #19 11-01-2005, 04:37 PM

No, no. I'm not capping a 3bet. I'm saying that if he's putting in 3bets with overcards, then surely I'm ahead often enough to put in a single raise, right, rather than just calling down?

MrWookie47 · #20 11-01-2005, 04:43 PM

I thought of another question I want to ask you guys to think about. What is Pax's goal with that c/r? Is it strictly value in his mind, or could there be a bluff component? What hands does he think I'm capable of folding here? What would he expect me to call down? What would he expect me to 3bet? How do those hands stack up against his range?