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Old 11-01-2005, 02:10 PM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch

10-20 Motor City casino full table

Im the HJ with

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

PFR is aggressive preflop for this game, probably around 10, but post flop is very easy to see what he has.

2 limps, MP raises, 1 call, Hip calls, Button calls, 1 blind calls, limpers call

Flop (7 players) 15SB

J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

checked to me, I check, Button bets, 3 callers, I call getting like 19-1.


Turn (5 players) 10BB

T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

3 checks, I check, button bets, 2 folds, PFR calls, Hip calls.


Anyone fold this anywhere? The river was nice and easy to play.
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:16 PM
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You rivered the nut straight? Can't find a fold postflop. Enjoy the money. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:16 PM
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Nope, looks pretty straight forward to me. I dont think you can fold the flop getting 19:1 and closing the action. The turn is even easier, closing the action getting 12:1 with 4 outs to the nut straight, and maybe a couple outs for an Ace or Queen.
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch

Why no 3 bet preflop?
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch

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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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Because, I was afraid of the PFR might have me stroked. He's not a raise QTo kinda guy, but he could easily have TT=88 here, so I wasn't folding.

Also, a 3 bet here would get it 2-4 handed, and I was looking to make a huge pot iwth my big suited cards.

Sometimes I do 3 bet here, I just decided not to this time, because of how the game was and taht kinda stuff.
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:47 PM
TomBrooks TomBrooks is offline
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Default Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch

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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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If there were no limps before the raise, I'd be more inclined to three bet and try to get it heads up. With a couple of limps in there already, it seems like it might be good to encourage rather than discourage more. Does that make sense?
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Old 11-01-2005, 02:57 PM
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If there were no limps before the raise, I'd be more inclined to three bet and try to get it heads up. With a couple of limps in there already, it seems like it might be good to encourage rather than discourage more. Does that make sense?

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This depends on the characteristics of the remaining players. If this is the kind of game where I can get position with my 3-bet AND have both limpers and sometimes the BB call, I think a raise is in order. My default play is probably a limp here, though.


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It's a double gutshot.

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Good eye; I completely missed that.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:00 PM
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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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My thoughts exactly, everything else looks standard.
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:08 PM
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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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My thoughts exactly, everything else looks standard.

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Maybe you could elaborate? Why a 3-bet preflop?
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:44 PM
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Why no 3 bet preflop?

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My thoughts exactly, everything else looks standard.

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Maybe you could elaborate? Why a 3-bet preflop?

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Because on average in this position your likely to have an equity edge and if any of the gimpers call when its 2 cold back then great.

Also because it'll make the blinds call with a wide range some which will be incorrect.

Plus AQs in a likely multiway pot is a strong holding.

Also being the aggressor with position improves your chances of winnig the hand because it may get checked to you giving you the opportunity to take a free card. Also there's a chance you'll get a free card.

Plus it gains infornation because if it gets capped then you'll know your up against it.

Anyways i don't think its a big deal what you do preflop just a thought really.
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