10/20 Hands: Am I extracting value or donking off chips?

AceHiStation · #1 11-29-2005, 12:23 PM

Well recently I have found myself in some difficult river situations. I always try and ask myself "Will a worse hand call this bet," and try and play accordingly. I'd like to see which of these hands people think were played well and are +EV in the long-term and which are just spewing off chips. Thanks in advance,
-Ace

Hand 1:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (3 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($1871.25)
Hero ($1521)
Button ($2689)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $30, Hero raises to $80, SB calls $60.

Flop: ($200) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $150, SB calls $150.

Turn: ($500) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($500) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $500, SB calls $500.

Final Pot: $1500

Hand 2:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($2499.50)
UTG ($4335)
MP ($2000)
Button ($2126)
SB ($380)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, MP calls $20, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40, MP calls $40, SB folds.

Turn: ($140) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $100, MP calls $100.

River: ($340) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $300, MP raises to $1000, Hero calls $2039.50 (All-In), MP calls $840 (All-In).

Final Pot: $4519.50

Hand 3:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($1338.25)
Button ($1000)
Hero ($2388)
BB ($2348)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises to $65, 1 fold, Hero (poster) calls $55, 1 fold.

Flop: ($150) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Turn: ($150) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $75, UTG calls $75.

River: ($300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $300, UTG calls $1198.25 (All-In), Hero calls $898.25.

Final Pot: $2696.50

Hand 4:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($5176.60)
SB ($1678)
BB ($4184.50)
UTG ($3344.50)
Hero ($2040)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises to $80, Hero raises to $220, 3 folds, UTG calls $140.

Flop: ($470) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $300, UTG raises to $850, Hero calls $550.

Turn: ($2170) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG calls $2274.50 (All-In), Hero calls $970 (All-In).

River: ($5414.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $5414.50

Hand 5:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($725)
Hero ($2000)
UTG ($2078)
MP1 ($360)
MP2 ($1521.60)
CO ($2262.50)
Button ($1562)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
3 folds, CO raises to $70, 2 folds, Hero raises to $170, CO calls $120.

Flop: ($390) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $200, CO calls $200.

Turn: ($790) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $500, CO calls $500.

River: ($1790) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $1110 (All-In), CO calls $1110.

Final Pot: $4010

FoxwoodsFiend · #2 11-29-2005, 12:45 PM

Hand 1 is fine-the check on the turn gets him to call with AK/KJ type hands.
Hand 2 villain seems like he's slowplaying based on the action. I probably just call.
Hand 3 is fine.
Hand 4 I'd be shocked if you were winning against a decent opponent-all you can really beat is a bluff. i'd fold
Hand 5 is good because the big blind/button dynamic will get you more action than you should.

In general, you should be very willing to get it in when you've disguised your had/not been betting (as in the flush and AA hand) and less willing to do so when the action's been heavy meaning that you're probably not getting action from somebody you beat because your hand isn't that disguised (QQ and K4 though I admit the K4 is VERY marginal)

captZEEbo1 · #3 11-29-2005, 12:48 PM

hand 1: seems good
hand 2: I think calling the river raise might be okay only hand you are hoping he has is KJ
hand 3: hand 3 is fine, sucks you ran into higher flush, I'd either lead flop or bet turn bigger
hand 4: tricky spot, seems like you might be good here though, I can't imagine laying down, althogh you're easily up against KK or AA, you have to hope for Axs (esp AJs)
hand 5: ugly turn but hand looks fine, not sure what he's gonna call you with here but people never tend to surprise me with what they call me down

JMa · #4 11-29-2005, 01:32 PM

fold hand 4 to his flop raise

AdamBragar · #5 11-29-2005, 01:32 PM

Hand 1: Looks good
Hand 2: You're beating KJ, you're losing to 88's. It's close enough that I just call the river.
Hand 3: Looks good
Hand 4: This one is tricky. I guess you called the flop bet with the intention of sticking your money in on any turn. But you've got to have some read to think you're ahead on the flop or preflop. Or do you just assume he's calling a reraise with 66-1010? I probably fold to the flop reraise, but if I don't, there isn't a turn card that will come that makes me fold.
Hand 5: Looks good.

AceHiStation · #6 11-29-2005, 01:45 PM

Well everyone seems pretty right on. I was partially curious if it was obvious to everyone else to pick out the flawed hands, shows me I misplayed two hands pretty badly.

First hand villain had K8.

Second hand villain had 88, I think I made the raise thinking he could have A4, but this is a raise I should not have made.

Third hand villain flopped the nuts with A8s. I think there's nothing I can do about this, I was looking to checkraise big on the flop and take it down without seeing more spades peel off.

Fourth hand villain was ggbman and played my ass with AA. I had a very LAGgy image which is why I made this preflop raise in the first place instead of just playing my position.

Fifth hand villain had A9o and I was playing my first hand of the session... always a good start.

Thanks for the help, I know its a pain to deal with multiple-hand threads sometimes.
-Ace

AZK · #7 11-29-2005, 01:52 PM

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Third hand villain flopped the nuts with A8s. I think there's nothing I can do about this, I was looking to checkraise big on the flop and take it down without seeing more spades peel off.

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I don't think this is a good mind set to have.

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Fourth hand villain was ggbman and played my ass with AA. I had a very LAGgy image which is why I made this preflop raise in the first place instead of just playing my position.

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I can't see being ahead given this turn action. What hand do you think he is doing this with? TT?

Riverman · #8 11-29-2005, 02:13 PM

Hand #1: player-dependent, but I like it against a vary aggressive opponent. What was your plan if check-raised on the river?

Hand #2: I am not reraising this river as his play looks like a flopped set of 8's

Hand #3: I fold preflop, otherwise I like it. No way you can fold the river as I think a set is his most likely hand

Hand #4: You are probably screwed, although its really hard to fold given the bet sizes if you have no info on your opponent

Hand #5: Perfect and straightforward, I think his most likely hands are 1010 - QQ

Riverman · #9 11-29-2005, 02:15 PM

"Third hand villain flopped the nuts with A8s. I think there's nothing I can do about this"

how about folding before the flop out of position with next to nothing invested?

#10 11-29-2005, 03:16 PM

Yeah, I definitely fold 97s from the SB to a raise all day.