Very Familiar

[mdob]

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i think the pot was bigger in the book. you have to fold to a raise here while in the hand quiz you would need to cold call

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Folding is no good. The pot isn't huge here, but it's decent and we have 6-7 outs.

[silkyslim]

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i think the pot was bigger in the book. you have to fold to a raise here while in the hand quiz you would need to cold call

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Folding is no good. The pot isn't huge here, but it's decent and we have 6-7 outs.

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yeah but we are getting 4.5-1 with 6 outs. i dont think thats enough. Fold.

[mdob]

As others have said, the lack of the PFR here makes the hand play totally differently. I don't think the pot size matters all that much since it's big enough to continue either way, but the chance that UTG has an A that beats us and that he might fold if we raise is important. In this hand, he's MUCH more likely to have a made hand than an UI A.

[SippinSoma]

This is far from forum clutter.

[27offsooot]

FOLD. FOLD. FOLD. FOLD.
I know what hand u're referring to and i think i saw this before on the forums (as well as in SSH). The other pot is bigger in the example.

[QTip]

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FOLD. FOLD. FOLD. FOLD.
I know what hand u're referring to and i think i saw this before on the forums (as well as in SSH). The other pot is bigger in the example.

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Board: Ks 5d 3c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 29.1251 % 29.13% 00.00% { Ac4c }
Hand 2: 49.0587 % 49.06% 00.00% { KdJh }
Hand 3: 21.8162 % 21.82% 00.00% { 6s5s }

I mean, I don't know what they have, my situation could be better than this or worse. If they both have Kings, my equity is in the mid 30s, if someone has like 2 pair or worse, I could be in the low 20s. At any rate, the pot is 9 sbs to me with maybe 30% equity without considering implied odds, I'm sacrificing 3 sb folding here. It's 2 to call and only 3 to raise a very good (despite Crunchy's statement [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) chance to get a free card.

I'm still listening though 27offsoot, cuz you normally show me something worthwhile.

[crunchy1]

[img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] - right back at ya!! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously though - your last post is very misleading.

#1 - you know better than to give specific hands to each player in that type of analysis. Toss some ranges out there and see what happens. I think things might actually start looking better for you! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

#2 - make sure you account for the two players left to act after you. These players are still in the pot and need to be accounted for.

[QTip]

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- right back at ya!! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously though - your last post is very misleading.

#1 - you know better than to give specific hands to each player in that type of analysis. Toss some ranges out there and see what happens. I think things might actually start looking better for you! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

#2 - make sure you account for the two players left to act after you. These players are still in the pot and need to be accounted for.

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All true.

I don't have the time to run some sims right now, but I can later. Yes, I agree my equity will probably improve. I think the point being though that I almost certainly have AT LEAST equity in the low 20s and probably much better. And, as has been shown, this is plenty to make at least a call. I like to raise. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Octopus]

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I don't have the time to run some sims right now, but I can later. Yes, I agree my equity will probably improve. I think the point being though that I almost certainly have AT LEAST equity in the low 20s and probably much better. And, as has been shown, this is plenty to make at least a call. I like to raise.


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I played with it some and (not claiming to be comprehensive), the only way I can get QTip's equity below 18.7% is to kill some of the 2s or to give someone 64. To get it to 18.7%, I had to give everyone backdoor flush draws and kill the ace outs. I think it is safe to say that his equity is in the low 20s or higher almost all the time.

[Weebl]

Does anyone like raising preflop in LP here? With Axs we are likley to flop a weak draw and would benefit from getting to the turn for 2 SB. Not to mention fold equity for A or K high flops.