I can toss this turn right?

[kidcolin]

This is the one point in this hand that I think is very unclear. I thought raising the flop was a good option at first, but I don't think so anymore. At least not for gaining information. Like I said, SB is calling with anything once you raised, any heart draw is calling, and MP might still call with a decent PP hands. Only if you get 3-bet do you have any strong idea of where you stand.

OP - what limit is this? reads? That might help somewhat.

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Only if you get 3-bet do you have any strong idea of where you stand.

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Not true. If either of the players behind me c/c my raise, I'm giving up UI on the turn. If they both fold, I'm going into the turn more informed and with position.

Either way, it's better than investing a full bet on the turn in what "appears" to be a favorable spot, but usually isn't.

[kidcolin]

I'd contest that if BOTH call, you can probably fold the turn UI.

Don't forget MP raised preflop, and we have no reads. He might call as light as AQo with one heart.

[me454555]

3/6, My reads were that both MP and sb were loose passive 35/8 types

What is his hand range then? I don't think he is going to check-raise the turn with the Ax [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but I think he would certainly bet the flop for value, then check-call the turn, as he did here. What hands do you think are more likely? Why do you think he is check-raising the turn anyway, considering he check-called?

[me454555]

River was a blank ang got checked through.

Sb showed down 55 and MP took it down w/88 :feels sick inside:

I gotta brake out of my weaktight funk!! As always, thanx for all the responses, it was good stuff