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11-24-2005, 03:40 PM
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Re: AQ off
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I think pondering that this hand could might be standard is a huge leak. There are several problems with it. [/ QUOTE ] Nice to see you've joined the elite of posters who think it's okay to say that there are problems without saying what they are, why they are problems, and what you should do instead. You're really cool now [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. Seriously, this kind of post is just not helpful. If you've got something useful to say, say it. Otherwise, why not just move on without posting? This has been a public service announcement from someone who preferred 2+2 in 2000. Guy. 
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11-24-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: AQ off
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[ QUOTE ] I think pondering that this hand could might be standard is a huge leak. There are several problems with it. [/ QUOTE ] Nice to see you've joined the elite of posters who think it's okay to say that there are problems without saying what they are, why they are problems, and what you should do instead. You're really cool now [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. Seriously, this kind of post is just not helpful. If you've got something useful to say, say it. Otherwise, why not just move on without posting? This has been a public service announcement from someone who preferred 2+2 in 2000. Guy. [/ QUOTE ] I realize I may have come off harsh, but I was serious. His hand is by no means awful, but thinking that it might be standard means some seriously flawed thinking. I am not trying to be elitist, and I thought it was important for him to realize that this can in no way be standard. I guess next time I should lay out some reasoning as well. I think the hand could be changed in a few ways, and although I don't know exactly which one is best, this one definetly isn't. Other posters have already suggested some alternatives. Definetly cap preflop. Given that he didn't, raise the flop. Given that he didn't, I think a turn raise might be right against certain opponents.
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#5
11-24-2005, 04:36 PM
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Re: AQ off
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[ QUOTE ] I think a turn raise might be right against certain opponents. [/ QUOTE ] He does not have a read. [/ QUOTE ] This I know. That Sucker Guy wanted me to post some strategy. Sometimes when replying to posts it is helpful to give advice for similar, but not exactly the same situations. For example "if a different river hit, I would bet."
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#7
11-24-2005, 04:40 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Not having a read on SB is fishy... [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. While having reads is better then not, we can't always have reads. Sometimes you are at a wonderful table, but there is still an unknown or two. Granted, you want to find out about SB ASAP, but not having a read isn't necessarily fishy.
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#8
11-24-2005, 04:41 PM
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Re: AQ off
i really can't think of any reason why you wouldn't cap here PF naphand.
i'm trying to think of maybe some strategy to add to this post so i don't look like an [censored], but i can't. i would just like to know why you think not capping is more beneficial.
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#9
11-24-2005, 05:08 PM
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Re: AQ off
The problem is that so many posters just naturally assume that SB has adjusted to 4-handed and is liberally 3-betting.
BUT We do not know anything about SB's 3-betting standards. We do not know how long the table has been 4-handed. We do not know what Hero has been SD. We do not know if SB will go to SD with A-high or any PP etc. or dump it easily on the Flop. Capping here is either for value or to allow you to push off a better hand/one with valid outs against you when you miss the flop. I wonder what the so-called value of _taking control of the hand_ is against some players, such as those we play for value against rather than trying to control. I have played the $5/$10 at Stars and know well enough there are players you can should cap AQo here and there are numbers where you are in trouble. AQo is in trouble here against an opponent who 3-bets AA-88, AKo-AQo, AKs-ATs, KQs. Too much assumption not enough question. Too little information from poster. I see a lot of people advising _calling down_ or _capping_ as standard when I simply do not find many opponents against whom this is the best line, even at $5/$10. I do not play at Partyscum, maybe things are different there, but most seem to assume a really aggro and close to correct 3-bet standard for players that I just do not come across that often. We should be encouraging poster to think about his situation, his opponent and his options.
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#10
11-24-2005, 06:26 PM
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Re: AQ off
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I realize I may have come off harsh, but I was serious. [/ QUOTE ] Harshness is not a problem. It's the elliptical nature of your post that gets my goat. "You don't know what you're doing and I do... but I'm not telling you". Pointless. I also realize that you didn't mean it that way; at least I hope not. I was just trying to encourage you (and by extension everybody else) to put valuable stuff in their posts. I can't tell you the number of posts I write out in detail and then don't send because I don't think they contribute enough. (And I only submitted that one thanks to a misclick!) Okay let's talk strategy. Capping preflop might be good. Why though? As naphand says, it's not obvious that we get value from the extra bet. Are there other advantages? We have the button and to a certain extent capping preflop gives up your positional advantage on the flop because everybody knows you will bet, so they check to you, so you have to act first! I don't think the argument for a preflop cap is compelling. I'm happy either way. I'd also like to be convinced if it is indeed the best move; and I don't care how many people say "cap preflop" without an argument to back it up... You suggest raising the flop. Why though? What are you putting SB on? He 3-bets preflop and bets this flop. We have ace high. There's a decent chance we are losing and a very good chance SB is taking his hand to showdown. We might back him into a shell with a raise but there are no prizes for that. The raise is good if he's dominated since he will likely call. But in that case, if we don't raise, he will often bet the turn. Maybe waiting and raising the turn is good? On the other hand maybe the flop raise is good because of the potential for a freebie on the turn. But do we really want to show weakness with a turn check? Sure makes it easier for him to play the river accurately. I think there's a lot to discuss here if you start thinking about it, and I hope people who are less close to falling asleep at the keyboard than I am are able to contribute. Guy.
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