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Old 07-24-2005, 07:32 PM
kgrad5 kgrad5 is offline
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Default misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

2nd hand in a 10+1 on party..

***** Hand History for Game 2418001306 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:14226632 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, July 24, 22:23:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 11070 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: LuckyTRex14 ( $800 )
Seat 2: planteater ( $755 )
Seat 4: ninja808 ( $800 )
Seat 5: RBTrue ( $800 )
Seat 6: casey501 ( $980 )
Seat 7: tlc77777 ( $770 )
Seat 8: blahand ( $770 )
Seat 10: teacherspet8 ( $755 )
Seat 3: Ashtray68 ( $770 )
Seat 9: kgrad55 ( $800 )
Trny:14226632 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kgrad55 [ 7s 5s ]
teacherspet8 folds.
LuckyTRex14 folds.
planteater calls [15].
Ashtray68 raises [30].
ninja808 calls [30].
RBTrue folds.
casey501 folds.
tlc77777 calls [30].
blahand folds.
kgrad55 calls [15].
planteater calls [15].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 7h, Ks ]
kgrad55 checks.
planteater bets [15].
Ashtray68 calls [15].
ninja808 folds.
tlc77777 folds.
kgrad55 calls [15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
kgrad55 checks.
planteater bets [70].
Ashtray68 calls [70].
kgrad55 calls [70].
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
kgrad55 checks.
planteater bets [275].
Ashtray68 folds.
kgrad55 folds.
planteater does not show cards.
planteater wins 690 chips


preflop im getting huge odds,
flop im getting huge odds
turn im getting more then 4-1
river i didnt improve im out..

does this look ok?
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Old 07-24-2005, 07:41 PM
diconoclastx diconoclastx is offline
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

Edit: Didn't see the flush draw. Played well.
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Old 07-24-2005, 07:42 PM
psyduck psyduck is offline
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

I might try a min-blocking bet on the turn of t15. As it is, you don't have enough outs to call on the turn based on that pot size.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:15 AM
kgrad5 kgrad5 is offline
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

pot size is 345 and its 70 for me to call on the turn with 9 spade outs one 7 out and perhaps two 5 outs (not full outs however).. i think i have more than enough odds to call there but i may be wrong?
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:37 AM
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

I would fold this preflop. In the first levels I wont play any trash hands even if im getting good odds, because losign chips early on really hurts your play later on. Also you cant think your winning on the flop, if i did call preflop i would fold on that flop, even though its only a minimum bet. You also have to realize that our flush draw may be lower than another players, and you are essentially dead if you hit.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

I don't believe all of Harrington's concepts apply to $11 SNGs on Party Poker. I would fold this preflop in an $11 SNG, although I understand your odds argument. If you fold, you have an extra 100 chips for when you need to push.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:53 AM
Isura Isura is offline
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

I basically hate playing weak draws like early in a party sng. I'd rather use these chips to pump my strong hands, or to start stealing blinds starting in level 3. Most pots you play in level 1-3 should be in late position, and when you open the pot (except for small-mid pairs in level 1). The obvious exception are the premium hands that play well in any position. I like to use the chips to try to win opened pots, not pots that we have a 20% chance of winning.
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Old 07-25-2005, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

I think I would fold this preflop as my position is bad and I'm not closing the action, but flop is good and turn isn't terrible. Better than if there were two flush cards on the flop and a blank on the turn.
I think I fold the turn though as it will be hard to get paid off on the river since you have to act early & also since you aren't drawing to anywhere near the nuts. also your outs to the two pair and even the set have to be discounted somewhat, as someone may have a better two pair or a straight.
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Old 07-25-2005, 01:03 AM
skierdude1000 skierdude1000 is offline
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?

Your postflop play is perfect, but I wouldn't have gotten into this: fold it preflop, especially not with a raise.
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Old 07-25-2005, 02:03 AM
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Default Re: misapplying concept from HOH vol 1?


Folding preflop is more a matter of style here than the clearly correct play. It's fine to call, its fine to fold. Postflop everything was fine too.
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