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Old 12-24-2005, 04:58 PM
ryanghall ryanghall is offline
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Default 2/4 KK right line?

Villain is fairly loose passive. His stats are somewhere around 28/1.5/0.8 I think this is the right way to play this hand.. what do you guys think?

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Button ($394.65)
SB ($376.50)
Hero ($467.15)
UTG ($360)
UTG+1 ($152)
MP1 ($1009.05)
MP2 ($100.20)
MP3 ($394.05)
CO ($469.35)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, UTG calls $16, MP3 calls $16, SB folds.

Flop: ($64) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $50</font>, UTG calls $50, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($164) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $397.15</font>
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

if he is passive then why check this turn?
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Old 12-24-2005, 05:54 PM
ryanghall ryanghall is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

Just because he is passive doesn't mean that he'll never bet it.

I checked because I want him to think he's ahead.

Ryan
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

I like that line alot better when theres no flush draw. It'll suck if he checks behind and hits a flush. (or if he has 44 and hits a straight)
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:35 PM
MrFeelNothin MrFeelNothin is offline
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

[ QUOTE ]
Just because he is passive doesn't mean that he'll never bet it.

I checked because I want him to think he's ahead.

Ryan

[/ QUOTE ]

So this line might get you a small bet out of a hand that would have folded to a turn lead.

However, on this board I think it makes it really obvious what you have and allows him to stack you if hes got you beat and get away cheap if he has a one pair/draw combo type hand.

Also, iceman brings up a good point, a smart player will check a flush behind there.

I would just lead the turn for slightly more than the pot.
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Old 12-24-2005, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

If I'm leading turn for a little more than pot, shouldn't I just push?
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

I dont know why you need to overbet the pot here. I would make it $125
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Old 12-24-2005, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

I like this line against an aggressive player, but not a passive one. I lead the turn for $125, making the draw(s) pay to stay in.
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Old 12-24-2005, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

Ya, its an interesting line. Villan might call behind, and will call when ahead, but I think its better than just betting out again. That lets villan play better and not make a mistake. If you are making 2nd barrel bluffs, then you need to bet the turn, but if you are often betting flop, checkfolding turn then I like this line, it adds protection.
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Old 12-24-2005, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 KK right line?

What about a check-call on the turn and a lead of about 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot on the river ?
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