ATs vs All-in

[Scuba Chuck]

Sometimes homeplay is viewed differently than SNGs online. If you bust out, you can start another SNG up right away...

Anyway, just a thought. Whatever the odds are of you winning (1:3 I think), and you are given the correct or close to the amount of odds needed to call, does the following help your decision?

If you win, you obivously have a strong chip position, but more importantly, you have knocked out the best player at the table - leaving you with a much better chance at winning the entire home game. This might be one of these +$EV equations the experts here always talk about.

I'd say, if you don't think you're the dominant choice to win the table, based on skill and chip count, if you win this hand, then don't call.

[sofere]

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Hitting a flush definitely doesnt give you a win.


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Huh? A nut flush loses to what with that board?

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I think he meant does not definitely give a win, as opposed to definitely doesn't give a win.

You could be playing against a set that's scared of the flush draw. And if you hit the flush, he may still have 4-5 outs to a boat.

I'd call this only if desparately short stacked...and if that were the case, i'd open push this preflop. Since you arent short stacked, fold this.

You have tight aggressive player to your left which is perfect for stealing. He'll fold most of the time, and when he has something, you'll know when to let go. Fold this hand and chip away at him later, but be wary of his reraises.

[Frogistador]

The flush may or may not be sufficient to win, but regardless these are the numbers:

Odds of getting the flush: 1.86:1 (35%)
Pot odds: 2.3:1

[spatch]

The all in by a decent player means an over pair to the board the majority of the time, or they flopped the straight. You are getting good odds, and I would say you have a minimum of 12 outs. Most good players would not go all in with a set, because even if someone filled the flush or straight, they would still have 9 out 10 outs going to the river. They were pretty certain they had the best hand on the flop, and were trying to take away the pot odds from a straight or flush draw, but the other caller gave you the pot odds, it's your call wheather or not to gamble with those odds in a NL tourney.

[stillnotking]

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$20 SnG NL. SB is tight aggressive T1600, MP is novice T1800, Hero is on the button T1200 with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Blinds are 25/50. 3 folds to MP who calls, CO folds, Hero Calls, SB raises to 100, BB folds, MP calls, Hero Calls.

Pot T350 (3 players)
Flop 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB pushes all-in, MP calls, Hero?

This is a home game and I know the players fairly well. MP rarely plays, but SB plays a lot of poker on-line but mainly limit ring games. I play a lot on-line mainly pot-limit and no-limit SnG's. SB has not played many hands and has only shown down strong holdings.

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The real question here is whether your overcards are good. SB's raise preflop and push on the flop make it 90% likely he has a pocket pair, probably not aces (since you have the Ah). MP's call means little if he is a novice. He could have something like 98. You are getting better than 2:1 on the call. I would gamble, believing myself to hold 12 outs.

[rabman]

I called.
SB showed K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], MP showed J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
River: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I watch the remainder of the tournament from the sidelines.

[Mons]

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[rabman]

Yes he does. Actually I was the TAG in the SB. My buddy started complaining about being drawn out on. I calmly reminded him that he was behind the whole way. Rather humorous that the card that gave him the flush gave me the boat. We put the hand in an odds calculator and it was very close on the flop 48% to 46%. BTW I finished 3rd for my second in the money.....lol.

[stillnotking]

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I called.
SB showed K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], MP showed J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
River: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I watch the remainder of the tournament from the sidelines.

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Good call, bad luck.

[schwza]

yeah, you gotta call that. if MP were a really good player and you think he would only call with a set or a straight, it would be a tougher decision, but in this spot you have to believe that you have at least the 35% equity from the flush. the additional 3 A outs make you ~46% to win the hand (as it turned out). if you're up against a set and a non-flush-draw hand, you're about 25% to win, which is hardly a disaster.

and that was a very poor play by the SB, IMO.