Live O8 players are worse then Party players

GooperMC · #1 05-08-2005, 03:51 PM

I am visiting my brother who lives near an Indian casino, so I decided to check out their O8 game and it was the juiciest game I have ever seen in my life.

It was a 3/6 kill game in which I made about 30/hr and didn't rush the entire time that I was there. I felt like I had an average session, missed the usual amount of draws, got sucked out about the right amount of times and didn't get a ton of playable hands. I really believe that I could maintain that win rate for an extended period of time.

Three hands that really stand out:

Hand 1: I am still on the waiting list so I standing at the end of the table watching the game. The board is 267810 3 diamonds. The first player flips over Ad 2d XX. The players right in front of me picks up his hand and compares it to the board and because I am standing behind him I see he is playing A567. The player looks at the board, looks back at his hand, looks at the board and mucks.

Hand 2: This is a kill pot so we are playing 6/12. UTG raises which almost never happens in this game so he is playing a strong A2 (AA2, A23, ...). UTG+1 calls. The flop is 7c 8c Th. The turn is 6c and the river is the Tc. UTG bets every street. UTG flips over AA2 and UTG+1 flips over 4567. He called a river bet with the ass end of a str8 on a paired / flushed board. He ended up winning the top 1/2 and goes on to tell the other players that he loves those middle wraps because he doesn't have to worry about the low.

Hand3: I am playing Ac Ad 3c 4d OTB. Everyone at the table (except my brother) limps, I raise, everyone calls. Flop is Kd 2d 5c. UTG bets the entire table calls, I raise, UTG 3 bets, 4 callers. Long story short, I ended up rivering the nut flush and he bet into me again. He ended up flipping over KK59, and then berates me about my play and how I sucked out on him. I wanted him to shut up (he was very annoying) so I told him that "actually I was a little ahead of him". He then claimed that I couldn't have been ahead of him because he had a made hand and a draw can never be ahead of a made hand.

If I lived down here I would almost never play online. This was a 3/6 kill game that the players were MUCH worse then a .5/1 party table.

DeadMoneyOC · #2 05-09-2005, 12:53 AM

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He then claimed that I couldn't have been ahead of him because he had a made hand and a draw can never be ahead of a made hand.

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HAHAHA, I havent had the guts to play anything other than Holdem in live casino play but this post has served as inspiration! nh

TGoldman · #3 05-09-2005, 01:31 AM

Great story, Greg. I don't know if I would have the patience to play O/8 live. Do you find that you have to constantly check and re-check your cards throughout the hand to make sure you are indeed reading your hand correctly? I have a hard enough time remember my rank and suites in live Hold'em play (Which is one of the many reasons why I always play online).

Edit: Oops you're not gergery. LoL, sorry Gooper. Good story nonetheless.

TheStation · #4 05-09-2005, 01:31 AM

Live Omaha8 is normally pretty terrible, obviously varies by casino, you normally get a collection of guys between 50-80 who dont understand the fundamentals, by telling that guy you were ahead without a made hand probably blew his mind, they would never accept this, I try not to ever educate anyone. Live omaha8 can be a lot of fun (and profitable) if there is a good mix of players, it can also turn into a long night of slow play and players complaining the entire time when their flopped straight loses (go figure), if anyone hasnt played the local B&M 3/6 or 4/8 omaha8 game i would recomend checking it out

Truck II · #5 05-09-2005, 03:19 AM

I had a very similar experience last night playing in my first live O8 game. While waiting for a seat to open up I jumped into a $2-4 HE game that was MUCH, MUCH tighter than the $4-8 game. At best, they play their hands like they're playing Omaha Hi. At worst, oof.

Closest thing I've seen yet to free money in poker.

toots · #6 05-09-2005, 09:30 AM

I agree. I've had enormously good luck at the local B&M playing $5/10. Compared to what I run into at one tenth those limits on Party... well, there just isn't any comparison. Yeah, I've hit some lucky cards in the B&M, but even more important, I've run into some incredibly bad players.

In response to the previous question:

No, I haven't had difficulty with remembering cards, although I did see one guy lose big when he thought he filled up on the river, only to find that he remembered his cards wrong.

My problem with O8 live is that it's just harder to look at all four cards without flashing them at the whole table. Don't know why that is, but it's a lot more difficult than just squeezing two cards in a cupped palm.

Mostly, I love playing the fish at an O8 game. "Gee, look at all the cards they give us!"

Ironman · #7 05-09-2005, 09:43 AM

Oh I love that...pretending to be the fish. :-)

I have a similar experience. Every Thursday night I play in a live game which is much more profitable than the online games.

It really isn't any harder with the cards to remember everything. I play it pretty straight forward...ABC Omaha stuff.

I know what cards I need to see for my low to be good or my high and will throw a lot of junk away after the flop...if I didn't already throw it away preflop.

You do have to be more patient while people figure out how to split the pot, but it's not that big of a deal.

PokerProdigy · #8 05-09-2005, 09:46 AM

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and then berates me about my play and how I sucked out on him. I wanted him to shut up (he was very annoying) so I told him that "actually I was a little ahead of him".

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Cummon man, don't ever give bad players tips/advice/knowledge. Who cares [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Just let him think you're lucky and a bad player etc... Trust me, keeping your mouth shut in these situations or just having fun table talk (about sports, weather, jokes, etc...) will bring you more $$$ in the long run. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

GooperMC · #9 05-09-2005, 12:52 PM

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Live Omaha8 is normally pretty terrible, obviously varies by casino

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This casino just started spreading O8 so I think the game was especially bad.

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I try not to ever educate anyone

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I usually don't but this guy was bothering me and I wanted to shut him up. Unfortunately it didn't work.

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it can also turn into a long night of slow play and players complaining the entire time when their flopped straight loses (go figure)

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There was definitely too much complaining for my taste, however I was there with my brother so I could talk to him. Plus the dealers were all very cool, I had to help some of them sort out the results, but they were friendly people. If I wasn’t there with my brother I think I would bring headphones.

GooperMC · #10 05-09-2005, 12:55 PM

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Do you find that you have to constantly check and re-check your cards throughout the hand to make sure you are indeed reading your hand correctly

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I did in the beginning but as I played more I was re-checking less and less. However, I never really found the trick of looking at all 4 cards and still completely concealing my hand.

The good news was that it didn't really matter. These players were so bad that I could have picked up my hand and shown it to the table and they would still call me bets, and nobody was trying to pick up tells when I rechecked my cards.