just inside the money - 7 times BB - AT suited UTG - what's your play.

[whiskeytown]

27 get paid - we're basically down to 20 - I'm pretty short stacked with 7 times the BB UTG. - got about 5600 and blinds 400/800 antes 50

I raise to 2400 (a standard raise that I did earlier with JJ) and next player immediately repops it to 4800.


<font color="white">Can I lay it down? - In retrospect I'm not sure it was the best hand to make a stand with UTG, but we were only 6 or 7 handed, so there were a few less players out there to give me trouble. </font>

RB

[Exitonly]

buh? Just push! no room for standard raises in your stack.

and after you did raise to 2400, you have to call

[Bigdaddydvo]

Hey Rob,

You basically have to call here since you've put in nearly half your stack. The best way to go is pushing off the bat IMO. The 10xBB push rule is there for a reason...it prevents you from having to 2nd guess in situations like this.

[whiskeytown]

Yah - I've been busting so much lately on hands with just an A - always dominated by a pair....I said on this hand I WOULD commit to it - but wanted to try a blind steal first....but I should have pushed right away...

but he'd have called - I ran into QQ of course and busted in 19th, but it's good to see all that SNG crap I've been doing is paying off a bit...

RB

[whiskeytown]

thanks bro..

as I was telling Exit - I'd push on a small pair or something like AJ, but AT or lower (what I call A/rag) I've been a lot tighter...it's been my bust and bubble hand for so long lately...

he had QQ - he'd have called -

RB

I fold preflop. I don't like to push here with a hand that is likely to be dominated or being a 30-70 if I get called. I push other non dominated hands here alot more often than A10o.

[MrBrightside]

agreed. I busted out of a 180 the other day with 8x bb with 78s. I caught crap from the table, but honestly, I'd rather do it with the 78s that a10off. You're usually in better shape if called (although the case you had, up against a big pair, you're better with A10, obviously.). The problem with the a10 in early pos, is AK or AQ is probably gonna call and you're in BAD shape. Whereas with the 78s example, you're not in bad shape at all.

[Exitonly]

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 32.0382 % 30.64% 01.40% { ATs }
Hand 2: 67.9618 % 66.56% 01.40% { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 30.5383 % 30.32% 00.21% { 87s }
Hand 2: 69.4617 % 69.25% 00.21% { 99+, AJs+, AQo+ }

[betgo]

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agreed. I busted out of a 180 the other day with 8x bb with 78s. I caught crap from the table, but honestly, I'd rather do it with the 78s that a10off. You're usually in better shape if called (although the case you had, up against a big pair, you're better with A10, obviously.). The problem with the a10 in early pos, is AK or AQ is probably gonna call and you're in BAD shape. Whereas with the 78s example, you're not in bad shape at all.

[/ QUOTE ]

True pushing with ATs in early position you are likely to be dominated. However, you have an M of 3. You have the odds to push. If you are called and dominated, you are probably a 7-3 dog with 4-3 pot odds. If your stack was a little bigger, this would be an easy fold.

[MrBrightside]

Ok, well, I did say AT off and 87s. And running pokerstove, it is bettter (although only 2 points. I thought it was more):

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)



Hand 1: 28.1659 % [ 00.27 00.01 ] { ATo }

Hand 2: 71.8341 % [ 00.70 00.01 ] { AA-99, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo }



Text results appended to pokerstove.txt



493,143,552 games 1.557 secs 316,726,751 games/sec

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)



Hand 1: 30.5383 % [ 00.30 00.00 ] { 87s }

Hand 2: 69.4617 % [ 00.69 00.00 ] { AA-99, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo }