Troublesome turn

runa · #1 10-14-2004, 09:56 PM

Absolutely no reads makes this a tough spot.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $1. Hero posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, Button calls, Hero (poster) checks, BB calls, UTG raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets, Button folds, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

naphand · #2 10-15-2004, 04:30 AM

After his Turn check and you check behind, calling the River is standard.

runa · #3 10-15-2004, 11:24 AM

Should I have bet the turn if I was considering continuing in this hand? And if I was unsure of my hand in the first place and checked the turn why is calling down correct with 2 overs on the board?

naphand · #4 10-15-2004, 12:27 PM

It is not always, but he could easily be raising 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the flop to get the free card (correctly in this case, as you checked the Turn), he might have JTs or TT or other PP you beat.

The A and Q make life tough as a lot of hands you were beating are now ahead (AQ, AK, KQ, QJs). However, if he is playing AK or AJ and missed a CR on the Turn, then I am happy to call the River to see this. Fold would not be hideous given the board, but without a read I see his cards to get a handle on his PF raise/flop 3-bet/Turn check standards. If I lose to AJ I congratulate myself on the Turn check-behind, knowing he tricked himself out of a BB.

That said, AJ surely bets the Turn too after 3-betting the flop (against a flush draw/weaker J). AQ is possible though less likely than AK. The Turn check could be tricky or it could be genuine fear, without a read you don't know which way he swings. My feeling is KK or KJs, maybe K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or QJs, or TT/JJ. But this is Party $1/2 so hands like low/med PP are not unrealistic. No read... [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

I'm slightly puzzled how UTG can be acting first and you act after the Button? I am assuming you are SB.

runa · #5 10-15-2004, 02:22 PM

The hand must have converted wrong because I think I posted in CO in this hand. I'm pretty sure party doesn't let you post in SB.

In any case, I didn't like the free card on the turn, especially with the flush draw, but given the fact that an overcard fell and he is likely holding something higher than a J with the PF raise and flop call, I wasn't sure how to proceed.

Luckily, he was holding AK and missed a CR, but I'm not certain I would have played this the same if I encountered the same situation again.

Had I chosen to be the turn, and he raised, can I be fairly certain I'm behind and fold? This at least stops draws from getting a freebie.

naphand · #6 10-15-2004, 02:47 PM

If you get CR on the Turn then you can safely fold here, unless player is a known goon or complete nut.