Icky Played Hand!

7n7 · #1 11-08-2005, 01:51 PM

Can't get the converter to work. Is there a new link to it?

#Game No : 2999892488
***** Hand History for *****
$100 PL Omaha -
Table Table (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: Villain4 ( $164.36 )
Seat 8: Hero ( $178.80 )
Seat 1: Villain5 ( $62.92 )
Seat 9: Villain3 ( $30.65 )
Seat 7: Villain2 ( $136.60 )
Seat 5: Villain7 ( $102.40 )
Seat 6: Villain1 ( $66.90 )
Seat 3: Villain6 ( $98 )
Villain6 posts small blind [$0.50].
Villain7 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qc 8c 8d ]
Villain1 calls [$1].
Villain2 folds.
Hero calls [$1].
Villain3 calls [$1].
Villain4 folds.
Villain5 calls [$1].
Villain6 calls [$0.50].
Villain7 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 8h, 4s ]
Villain6 bets [$4].
Villain7 folds.
Villain1 calls [$4].
Hero calls [$4].
Villain3 folds.
Villain5 calls [$4].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
Villain6 [$10].
Villain1 folds.
Hero calls [$10].
Villain5 is all-In [$57.92]
Villain6 calls [$47.92].
Hero folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
Villain6 shows [ Qh, 5h, Ah, 4d ] a straight, ace to five.
Villain5 shows [ 7c, 5c, 6s, 9c ] a straight, two to six.
Villain5 wins $144.84 from the main pot with a straight, two to six.

I sat there and said that a pot sized raise was the way to go on the flop, but I for some reason didn't do it (possibly b/c I suck). Right?

That being said, do you call on the turn? I did the math and was getting about 3.75:1 to fill up which is just slightly correct if I had 10 full outs. Looking at the hands that got shown down though, I actually only had 9 (disregarding what others folded of course), making it incorrect to call. I, of course, don't know this.

Since my last opponent was short-stacked and the other all-in, is this an automatic call? Do you usually assume you can get the rest of the short-stack b/c he's so committed?

Fyi, I knew I was up against 2 straights.

#2 11-08-2005, 02:58 PM

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Can't get the converter to work. Is there a new link to it?

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try this site.

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That being said, do you call on the turn? I did the math and was getting about 3.75:1 to fill up which is just slightly correct if I had 10 full outs. Looking at the hands that got shown down though, I actually only had 9 (disregarding what others folded of course), making it incorrect to call. I, of course, don't know this.

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If you could see their cards, you'd know 16 and so there would be 36 possible river cards, 9 of which give you the boat. So you actually did have odds to call, but barely.

In general, if you're sure you're up against 2 straights, then they only have 4 cards between them that can be covering your outs. On average they'll have 1 of your outs between them. They might have 2, but more than that is paranoia. Either way, you still have some money in Villain6s stack to make calling a +EV play here.

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Since my last opponent was short-stacked and the other all-in, is this an automatic call? Do you usually assume you can get the rest of the short-stack b/c he's so committed?

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Depends on the player, but the call is close enough to zero EV even when they have 2 of your outs that it doesn't take much on the river to make it +ve.

7n7 · #3 11-08-2005, 03:33 PM

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Can't get the converter to work. Is there a new link to it?

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try this site.

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Thanks for the advice.

Fyi, this link doesn't seem to work for PLO but does for HE. Do I need to specify PLO somehow? It's specified in my hand history already.

#4 11-08-2005, 08:46 PM

It works for me with POkerstars HH. Here's a random hand I generated:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($17.50)
MP3 ($5.80)
CO ($22)
Button ($26.30)
SB ($39.65)
Hero ($15)
UTG ($12.60)
UTG+1 ($12.70)
MP1 ($32.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $1.7, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $1.70.

Turn: ($5.15) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $1.5, UTG+1 calls $1.50.

River: ($8.15) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $2, MP2 calls $2.

Final Pot: $12.15

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Kc Td Ad Ks (two pair, kings and fours).

Outcome: MP2 wins $12.15.

#5 11-08-2005, 10:33 PM

HERE is another converter site.

7n7 · #6 11-09-2005, 02:31 AM

It won't convert Party PLO hands for some reason. You don't by chance have any of those you could try do you?

#7 11-09-2005, 05:01 AM

Always repot that flop

#8 11-09-2005, 08:16 PM

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It won't convert Party PLO hands for some reason. You don't by chance have any of those you could try do you?

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Sorry, I only play at Pokerstars.