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10-14-2005, 10:57 AM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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Honestly, I really can't see any good reason to limp AA in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] Would you NEVER limp UTG with AA then? Surely, even if you don't like it, you have to do it sometimes, just to mix it up. If you NEVER limp UTG with AA or KK that gives your opponents a great read. (I think Brunson gives an example of this in Super System, doesn't he?) Isn't that at least ONE good reason for the limp El Diablo? 
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#2
10-14-2005, 12:05 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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Would you NEVER limp UTG with AA then? Surely, even if you don't like it, you have to do it sometimes, just to mix it up. If you NEVER limp UTG with AA or KK that gives your opponents a great read. (I think Brunson gives an example of this in Super System, doesn't he?) Isn't that at least ONE good reason for the limp El Diablo? [/ QUOTE ] OK, so you are saying I am giving something up if when I limp UTG, my opponents can put me on a range of hands that includes every possible poker hand except for two? I have limped AA UTG in certain situations for very specific reasons, however, I really don't think I would be giving anything up if I NEVER EVER limped AA UTG EVER.
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#4
10-14-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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In straddled pots I limp AA from a lot of positions. It's worked out pretty well. [/ QUOTE ] Straddled pots and other "special situations" are different. With the right super-aggros in the blinds, for example, I also limp AA a ton. But that's not what I'm talking about in my responses to this thread.
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#5
10-14-2005, 05:16 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
Diablo,
In the games you play in, how many pots are not raised preflop? I think everyone agrees that you do not want to give away information about your hand when you're out of position with deep stacks. Some feel that you should just raise a lot (all?) hands you play, others feel you should limp with all of them from EP. How much of this is just a reflection of the game each player typically plays in? If the pot is nearly certain to be raised behind you, then open-limping doesn't make much sense. But if many pots go unraised, then there are many more hands you might want to see a cheap flop with. So, it seems that to a certain extent, the proper play is influenced by how the rest of the table is playing. But I might be way off-base on this, since my personal experiences are still somewhat limited.
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#7
10-14-2005, 09:38 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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OK, so you are saying I am giving something up if when I limp UTG, my opponents can put me on a range of hands that includes every possible poker hand except for two? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Whenever your opponent can rule out certain hands with certainty that gives them an advantage. If you never limp with AA or KK UTG, and your opponents spot that, if you limp-reraise UTG, your opponents will know that they can push (rereraise) with just about any hand and you are going to fold, no? I'll see if I can find that anecdote in Super System. Can anyone else recall the one I'm thinking of? It's a long time since I read it.
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#8
10-15-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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[ QUOTE ] OK, so you are saying I am giving something up if when I limp UTG, my opponents can put me on a range of hands that includes every possible poker hand except for two? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. Whenever your opponent can rule out certain hands with certainty that gives them an advantage. If you never limp with AA or KK UTG, and your opponents spot that, if you limp-reraise UTG, your opponents will know that they can push (rereraise) with just about any hand and you are going to fold, no? I'll see if I can find that anecdote in Super System. Can anyone else recall the one I'm thinking of? It's a long time since I read it. [/ QUOTE ] OK, so I should be limping AA/KK to protect from huge re-bluff moves when I have limp-re-raised the field. Uh, yeah, I'm worried about that hmmmmmm, pretty much not at all. Perhaps you're playing every day with The Matador and Eddie Towne. I can understand your concerns in that case.
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#9
10-16-2005, 02:19 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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OK, so I should be limping AA/KK to protect from huge re-bluff moves when I have limp-re-raised the field. [/ QUOTE ] I only gave that as one example. I could have given others. The point I'm making is that against decent opponents you have to mix it up sometimes. If you NEVER limp with AA KK UTG that enables them to rule out those hands when you limp, which in certain pots, in certain situations is going to give them an edge - maybe only a small one, but a small edge is better than no edge at all. I also think that you are missing out if you're not limp-raising UTG with AA and KK on an aggressive table. Out of interest, what is your BB/100 with AA and KK? I can't find that anecdote in Super System btw, (although I do note that Brunson is a big advocate of limping when first to act with AA/KK). Maybe it was in another book. Can anyone else recall the example I'm thinking of?
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#10
10-16-2005, 04:13 PM
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Re: just a matter of preference
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I can't find that anecdote in Super System btw, (although I do note that Brunson is a big advocate of limping when first to act with AA/KK). Maybe it was in another book. Can anyone else recall the example I'm thinking of? [/ QUOTE ] I can think of one where player A raises in EP, Player B calls, flop comes Jxx, Player A keeps betting, Player B calls him down, Player A has AJ and Player B has QQ. Player B says he knows Player A never raises AA/KK in EP so he was pretty sure his queens were good despite the strength shown by his opponent postflop.
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