TP & OESD in position, lots of action

durron597 · #1 07-29-2005, 10:02 PM

Second hand, no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

CO (t1500)
Hero (t1480)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1540)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises to t40, MP3 calls t40, 1 fold, Hero calls t40, SB calls t30, BB calls t20.

Flop: (t200) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB bets t100, BB calls t100, MP2 raises to t200, MP3 folds, Hero ????

proell · #2 07-29-2005, 10:08 PM

my first instinct is to fold this faster than you can say "".

but I'm not sure it's correct.
me thinks you have 8 outs here (6 for the straight that aren't hearts, and 2 4s). But it's possible that you're drawing dead already and can lose a lot of chips if you make your hand.

anyway, suppose you have 8 solid outs. The pot has about 200 before the flop. Now assuming everyone else calls this minraise (scary min-raise, btw) you will be getting 4:1 on your call.

Definately a fold in my book.

11t · #3 07-29-2005, 10:39 PM

Folds, sb could re-raise.

durron597 · #4 07-29-2005, 10:45 PM

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Folds, sb could re-raise.

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Another reason for folding is that a lot of my outs might not be clean (A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]), and I could be drawing close to dead or chop to a made straight or set, with 3 people liking their hand.

psyduck · #5 07-29-2005, 10:47 PM

Fold preflop, fold on the flop.

BTW why do you play at Pstars? You'd think that it would reduce hourly rate.

durron597 · #6 07-29-2005, 10:51 PM

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Fold preflop,

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Wrong. I will give you as much explanation as you gave me.

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fold on the flop.

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Why?

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BTW why do you play at Pstars? You'd think that it would reduce hourly rate.

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I moved to PStars for WSOP satellites. And I think I like the structure better than Party. Note I play the turbos, not the regular SnGs.

11t · #7 07-29-2005, 11:09 PM

True dat.

I just saw the action and didn't even pay too much attention to the villain's possible holdings.

durron597 · #8 07-29-2005, 11:42 PM

The other thing to consider is that I *am* getting 3.3:1.

microbet · #9 07-29-2005, 11:57 PM

Besides some of your outs not being clean, some of your outs are probably in the hands of your opponents; probably at least one of the Aces.

You've got something there, but I don't think it is enough.

durron597 · #10 07-30-2005, 12:59 PM

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You've got something there, but I don't think it is enough.

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I agree, though it was painful to fold at the time. I folded.

No one ended up getting allin, but by the end of the hand the SB had folded, the BB raised the flop after I folded and ended up showing 65 for the flopped nuts, and MP2 had 33 for a flopped set.