Probably Boring Blind Defense Hand

toss · #1 09-25-2005, 02:25 PM

Villain is 18.6/8.2/2.76 over 185 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
8 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

I used to show this stuff down.

TheHammer24 · #2 09-25-2005, 02:36 PM

If the A does not fall are you still calling the turn....I'm pretty sure I am not. I think you played correct.

private joker · #3 09-25-2005, 02:40 PM

Nice hand. You saved 2BBs. I think you're folding the winner here at best 15% of the time.

toss · #4 09-25-2005, 02:43 PM

Great, I thought I was getting weak and letting TAG SB have his way with me.

Nick Royale · #5 09-25-2005, 02:50 PM

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This is how I would play too. Am I weak for folding a turn blank?

sy_or_bust · #6 09-25-2005, 03:04 PM

Sometimes. This situation is really hard because it comes up so rarely in full ring. IMO There are 2 big questions.

1) what % of hands is Villain raising preflop?
2) what will Villain 3-bet?

The answer to 1) may be anywhere from 25% to 100%. This matters a lot.

2) is trickier. Hero's flop checkraise doesn't need to be a hand, especially if 1) is true. Villain might 3-bet any pair or draw, and some A-high hands, hoping to pick the pot up on the turn UI. If Hero has shown the tendency to c/r and fold turn UI to resistance he is especially vulnerable. Then again, Villain's 3-bet might necessarily indicate a big draw, better 8 or T.

Equity changes drastically. In one scenario you might cap the flop or raise the turn, and in another you need to check/fold the turn UI. Think about it: Against a big LAG you probably want to show down your pair. Now consider how much a good, aggressive TAG in a HU pot really differs in this spot.

donny5k · #7 09-25-2005, 03:06 PM

If you're confident that you're behind every time you can fold a blank. But 6-1 + implied odds is pretty good if all 5 of your outs are live (AT is a possible villain holding here). The problem is once you call the turn you probably should pay off on the river if it also blanks. I think it's a close decision.

Evan · #8 09-25-2005, 03:42 PM

There's no way I'm folding this hand.

#9 09-25-2005, 03:57 PM

a lot of the decision here also comes down to your image at the table at this point. you can certainly fold the turn here early in your session, before the whole table knows you're tight. but if you're starting to feel like its known that you're tight, you need to start calling down more than you'd like - it will pay off at this point because bluffers will be betting into you more.

toss · #10 09-25-2005, 04:49 PM

Damn I made a bad laydown. I think.