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Old 10-08-2004, 06:22 PM
AtlChip10 AtlChip10 is offline
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Default Bad Run Checkup Pt. 2 - Overcards

Hand #1 AJo UTG w/ 2 OCs & BDNFD

Reads: PF Raiser is LA-P (wide range)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Correct limp?

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

2 overcards and BDNFD, standard call?

Turn: (4.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Lose BDNFD, gain gutshot, possible good overcard. Call or fold?

River: (7.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, BB folds, Hero folds.

He could have AK, or might have spiked a T or Q, good fold?

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 7.75 BB, won by MP3.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to MP3.</font>

Hand #2

Reads: Flop bettor is LP-P

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2. MP3 posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, CO (poster) checks, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

2 limpers, not great position, good limp?

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

2 clean overs, many behind to act, good fold or do I take one off?


Hand #3

Reads: River bettor is LP-P

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Coordinated board, but I have position and would love a free card, standard bet?

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Nothing doing

River: (7.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero folds, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Nothing, I showed weakness but pot isn't huge.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 9.25 BB, between UTG+1 and CO.</font>
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:12 PM
JinX11 JinX11 is offline
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Default Re: Bad Run Checkup Pt. 2 - Overcards

Hand 1 - AJo can be a bad hand UTG. Don't like limping with it UTG. It's a raise or a fold pre-flop.

After the flop, all of your outs are tainted. Fold the turn. Really, only 2 of the 4 kings are clean - not worth chasing for less than 5 BB. Obvious fold on river - you have nothing.

Hand #2 - Don't mind the limp. Don't mind the fold. If you're Chris Daddy Cool, you probably raise the flop here, though. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Hand #3 - Now see...this is better - raise AJo or fold it. Bet the turn. Maybe bet the river. They can't fold if you don't bet - you're representing something bigger than AJo; you were all along. If he calls a turn bet and I feel he's not gonna fold, then I check behind on the river.
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:22 PM
SparkyDog SparkyDog is offline
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Default Re: Bad Run Checkup Pt. 2 - Overcards

Raise PF in hand 1, but taking a card off on the flop isn't terrible, but I'd definitely fold the turn.

Hand 2 I raise pre-flop, the flop is pretty ragged, but since you say the flop bettor is passive the flop is a probable fold, given that the pot isn't huge and there's plenty of people to act behind you. I'm not real confident in my flop judgement though.

Hand 3 looks about how I'd play it.
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Old 10-08-2004, 09:59 PM
sublime sublime is offline
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Default Re: Bad Run Checkup Pt. 2 - Overcards

hand 1:

I raise preflop. It has been debated before what is more +EV, and form what I understand its a deadlock. But I like raising, a lot :-)

As for the flop, its close. You cant give yourself six overcard outs and you cant discount them entirely either, also your BDNFD loses some value due to it being a one carder.

I would probably fold here bro.
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