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Old 12-05-2005, 06:36 PM
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Default OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

Not an actual hand, but a typical situation I've run into.

assume .25/50 blinds
also, I'd like thoughts on how to handle this with short-stacks (40-50 BB) and with average stacks (100BB+)

Hero is OOP with pocket pair ( 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] )
Preflop is reasonable... say:
Hero limps
MP2 raises to 1.50
MP3 calls
Hero calls.

Flop comes ($5ish): 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero leads for $4-$5
MP2 calls
MP3 folds

Turn: ($15ish): 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero???

What's my standard line here:

(a) with a 40-50BB short stack.... say I started with $20, and now I'm down to about $13 left

(b) with a average 100BB stack... ???


For (a)... if the other player is aggressive, is it always better to try to attempt a check-raise on the flop? Or should I always be betting this?

Thanks!
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

you want to get all your money in as soon as possible
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

I always like to bet this flop because a check raise can really make a thinking player stop and and possibly fold his TPGK or such. By betting you give them a chance to raise you, which you can then go over the top and it makes it much tougher for them to let their hand go.
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

I almost always bet out this flop for the reasons you stated.

My main question from this thread though was what to do on the -turn- when the 3rd club hits.

Thoughts?

Push w/ a small stack?
Lead out 3/4 pot w/ average stack?
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:47 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

push if youre a shorty, 3/4 if youre not.
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

If he just flat calls a 3/4 bet on the turn then whats the plan for the river, assuming you don't fill up and no club hits? Also, I assume if he raises the 3/4 pot bet on the turn you fold.
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

And what's the plan if the club does hit? (Which it usually does for me)
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

Did you read my post before posting that?

If not, nice.
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Old 12-05-2005, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: OOP Set faces 3-flush on turn. What is standard?

lol, no.
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